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RolStoppable said:
Slimebeast said:

Last I checked Austria is still allowing roughly 100,000 migrants yearly. That's an enormous number considering you only have 85,000 babies born each year, out of which perhaps 60,000 are ethnic Germanic. You are very fast becoming a minority despite your supposed "strict border controls".

It's the same here in Sweden. "Oh but the fugee influx is reduced by 80-90% compared with the open flood gates situation of 2015, and yet +100,000 third wolrd migrants enter our country each year.

I am looking at requests for asylum and from 2006-2013 it was between 10-20k, in 2014 28k, in 2015 88k and in 2016 42k. Of course 2015 is the peak because of Merkel's infamous message, but the change of course in 2016 already led to a drastic reduction.

Apparently only 36k of the 130k requests in 2015 and 2016 were acknowledged as refugees, but I suppose that doesn't mean that the people who got refused were kicked out of the country. Regardless, your numbers aren't based in reality.

Sweden too had asylum requests at the level of 25,000 per year on average for a whole decade before the infamous crisis year 2015. During these years, when we factor relatives and stuff (maybe 40,000 people) being added to those 25,000, believe it or not our migration was +100,000 yearly. Now 25,000 of those might have been on some work permits and student permits, but the vast majority is still from the thirld world. Bottom line is 100,000 third world migrants added each year.

Both Sweden and Austria is slowly going back to the pre-2015 levels with ~25-30000 asylum requests and in both countries there's a (deceptive) public sigh of relief, totally ignorant of the fact that even pre-2015 the migration influx was completely unrealistic and unsustainable.

Despite that the primary asylum requests seem relatively low at 25,000, with relatives + students + work permits, you will still end up with a 100,000 number yearly in Austria too.



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VGPolyglot said:
Slimebeast said:



Here you go. In contrast to the pics above where Soviets have snatched some border areas of Finland in 1940, when the Finns started their counter-offensive into Soviet Union in 1941, with the backing of the German Operation Barbarossa, the dream was to conquer and establish Greater Finland:

But it really depended on the success of the German Operation Barbarossa of course.

So, I'm confused. Is that what you want, then? A "Greater Finland"?

It's unrealistic now. But if Germany had had bigger success in the Eastern Front, it could have become a reality.

IMO the outcome of the WW2 brought us a far too strong Soviet Union. A better outcome would have been a limited German victory over the Soviets, but with Soviet Union still keeping its independence in the eastern areas of the union and preserving its indistrial production in Ural, and Finland doing its part to weaken the Soviet super power by conquering vital areas in the West including Leningrad and at the same time establishing itself as a significant regional power.

This would have been much better for the post-WW2 harmony and avoided a cold-war between USA and Soviet Union.



Slimebeast said:

Sweden too had asylum requests at the level of 25,000 per year on average for a whole decade before the infamous crisis year 2015. During these years, when we factor relatives and stuff (maybe 40,000 people) being added to those 25,000, believe it or not our migration was +100,000 yearly. Now 25,000 of those might have been on some work permits and student permits, but the vast majority is still from the thirld world. Bottom line is 100,000 third world migrants added each year.

Both Sweden and Austria is slowly going back to the pre-2015 levels with ~25-30000 asylum requests and in both countries there's a (deceptive) public sigh of relief, totally ignorant of the fact that even pre-2015 the migration influx was completely unrealistic and unsustainable.

Despite that the primary asylum requests seem relatively low at 25,000, with relatives + students + work permits, you will still end up with a 100,000 number yearly in Austria too.

You know, the statistics for Austria in 2015 show 91k migrants who had citizenship in EU countries or Switzerland. So you are right that the number of migrants is over 100k yearly if everyone gets added.



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RolStoppable said:
Slimebeast said:

Sweden too had asylum requests at the level of 25,000 per year on average for a whole decade before the infamous crisis year 2015. During these years, when we factor relatives and stuff (maybe 40,000 people) being added to those 25,000, believe it or not our migration was +100,000 yearly. Now 25,000 of those might have been on some work permits and student permits, but the vast majority is still from the thirld world. Bottom line is 100,000 third world migrants added each year.

Both Sweden and Austria is slowly going back to the pre-2015 levels with ~25-30000 asylum requests and in both countries there's a (deceptive) public sigh of relief, totally ignorant of the fact that even pre-2015 the migration influx was completely unrealistic and unsustainable.

Despite that the primary asylum requests seem relatively low at 25,000, with relatives + students + work permits, you will still end up with a 100,000 number yearly in Austria too.

You know, the statistics for Austria in 2015 show 91k migrants who had citizenship in EU countries or Switzerland. So you are right that the number of migrants is over 100k yearly if everyone gets added.

Okay, lots of EU citizens counted in those numbers currently. Good. But I guess we will see a clearer picture in a couple of years of how many migrants are actually from the thirld world and not EU members, and I think your stats will be similar to the Swedish stats when all is said and done.



Slimebeast said:

Okay, lots of EU citizens counted in those numbers currently. Good. But I guess we will see a clearer picture in a couple of years of how many migrants are actually from the thirld world and not EU members, and I think your stats will be similar to the Swedish stats when all is said and done.

Austria will soon be run by a coalition of ÖVP and FPÖ. The way people talk about Sweden, they have a heavily left-leaning government.



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My thoughts on empires are that they never work out. Too many peoples and languages, and the population that forms the majority will inevitably be perceived as oppressors of minorities or not caring enough about the needs of them. Once an opportunity arises for one portion to break away, other portions see their chance and try to quickly follow the path into independence.



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RolStoppable said:
My thoughts on empires are that they never work out. Too many peoples and languages, and the population that forms the majority will inevitably be perceived as oppressors of minorities or not caring enough about the needs of them. Once an opportunity arises for one portion to break away, other portions see their chance and try to quickly follow the path into independence.

I think the reason why Russia was able to retain so much of its territory is because the Siberian regions conquered were extremely sparsely populated, and it was mainly Russian migration into those regions that boosted the population. The 14 Soviet Republics that separated were more densely populated, however, which meant that the Russians weren't able to assimilate the peoples as easily.



An interesting period was the Russian and Japanese War.



This thread has gotten much more activity than I expected I thought nobody was going to post in here.



VGPolyglot said:
This thread has gotten much more activity than I expected I thought nobody was going to post in here.

Every thread that mentions nazis gets a lot of traction.



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