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konnichiwa said:
EricHiggin said:

The fact of the matter is that at the core of what he said, is that as long as someone pays money, whether it be for tough vehicle regulations, or tough gun regulations, to be able to legally have and use those items, then using them to kill is acceptable, considering innocent people are being mowed down with both guns, and vehicles. If he didn't mean that, then he should have said something more along the lines of "Yes, obviously we do need much stricter regulations and restrictions on vehicles, as well as guns". If he would have said that, he would be taken seriously. That's not what he said though. Which makes me assume he must be going against the Fox comment. While unlikely, he could be going along with Fox, and pointing out that the vehicle control we have now, which is much more in depth than guns, obviously isn't working good enough either, yet no one is complaining. I don't think that is the case though.

Personally I thought the same as boffer and had same interpretation it also feels like a complaint from Fox that backfired.  'Sure he killed people with guns but would you say we need to be stricter if he did it with a truck?'  the point Kevin makes is that 'we' are stricter and it is harder to get the abilitry to drive with a car/pick up/truck than it is to get a gun.

Fox's point is why after the Vegas shooting, are stricter gun laws needed, if when the same thing happens with a vehicle, a blind eye is turned and nothing is said? If you want to be taken seriously, you can't just pick and choose when you "feel" like complaining and try to make changes on a certain subject. All that does is show you have an agenda, which people obviously won't go along with since it continues to infringe on their rights even more so.

The other point Fox makes indirectly, is that even with those stricter rules for vehicles, they are still being used as weapons. Not just are they using them as weapons, but they are doing so when the odds of them being able to get a gun and use that instead, are quite high. So why didn't they use a gun if it's so much better at killing and so much more dangerous? Probably because it was much easier, and cheaper, to just steal/use a free vehicle.

The Fox comment didn't backfire, it made a rock solid point. There is next to nothing you can do to completely stop the killing, in quick large numbers, or spread out small numbers, period. Even trying to take away everyone's rights altogether, wouldn't be enough. If they really cared and wanted the problem solved the most effectively, they would need to stop the extremists from coming in, and they would need to put something in place to try and weed out, and fix or contain, the citizens who may be an internal threat.



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SpokenTruth said:
Valdney said:
Religion of peace!

Yes it is.  The actions of a few do not speak for the sentiment of the whole.

A few? That's false. More like a decent chunk. You should do a little research on how many believe it's okay to do terrorist attacks on civilians. 



Can we stop the fuckin islam argument? Either you think it's violent or not. Shut the fuck up and stop reintroducing this shit into every conversation



Valdney said:
SpokenTruth said:

Yes it is.  The actions of a few do not speak for the sentiment of the whole.

The fact  that only a small percentage of Muslims  observes  Muhammad’s genocidal teachings in its entirety, does not make this death cult anymore peaceful.

Oh yeah...completely forgot how peaceful the bible was. And Christianity in general... /s

 

On the thread topic....first I hear about a second attacker. That said Turkish media isn’t exactly trustful these days.



We should stop to support any religion. Religions are cancer for the human race and for the future of science.
How the world would look like if we wouldnt have religions is the question. I would forbidd every religion. All of them.



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Pagan said:
We should stop to support any religion. Religions are cancer for the human race and for the future of science.
How the world would look like if we wouldnt have religions is the question. I would forbidd every religion. All of them.



Ka-pi96 said:
SpokenTruth said:

So does John Lennon. 

Isn't he that beatle guy?

Yes, he wrote the song imagine.



Please excuse my (probally) poor grammar

So which country is America going to bomb now?



Please excuse my (probally) poor grammar

konnichiwa said:
EricHiggin said:

The fact of the matter is that at the core of what he said, is that as long as someone pays money, whether it be for tough vehicle regulations, or tough gun regulations, to be able to legally have and use those items, then using them to kill is acceptable, considering innocent people are being mowed down with both guns, and vehicles. If he didn't mean that, then he should have said something more along the lines of "Yes, obviously we do need much stricter regulations and restrictions on vehicles, as well as guns". If he would have said that, he would be taken seriously. That's not what he said though. Which makes me assume he must be going against the Fox comment. While unlikely, he could be going along with Fox, and pointing out that the vehicle control we have now, which is much more in depth than guns, obviously isn't working good enough either, yet no one is complaining. I don't think that is the case though.

Personally I thought the same as boffer and had same interpretation it also feels like a complaint from Fox that backfired.  'Sure he killed people with guns but would you say we need to be stricter if he did it with a truck?'  the point Kevin makes is that 'we' are stricter and it is harder to get the abilitry to drive with a car/pick up/truck than it is to get a gun.

Hard to legally drive a truck maybe, but one can easily get one through other means, not register, no license, no insurance, ect.

I purchased my first car from a neighbor with cash. I took it down and registered it in my name, purchased car insurance and have my license to drive it. But I could have easily not done any of those things and just drove it until I got caught. Or drove it headlong into a concert of people killing them.

There ar elots of people out driving without insurance or licenses today.



These threads always turn into shit.