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Kerotan said:
Miyamotoo said:

I never said that "PS4 unnoficial deals mean pricecuts", again, despite ofical price of $300 you can regulary (you constantly have sales and deals for PS4) buy PS4 at lower price point or much higher value bundle for same MSRP of $300 (like 1TB bundle with one game), and thats a fact, but you have some kind problem with that.

Jesus I'm getting dizzy from all the spin. Just stop. Every thread you are on you try to downplay the massively successful ps4 sales. 

What's the big deal if ps4 regularly gets deals under it's official price? You think ps3, 360 and ps2 rtf didn't? Of course they did and so does the Xbox one. Switch will too. 

Than just stop reading if you are dizzy. ;)     I never try to downplay PS4 massive success, of course if we don't talk about PS4 Japanese sales where some people think they are "phenomenal". :D

It's not big deal, I just pointed that.

 

DonFerrari said:
Miyamotoo said:

It can, but there is difference when something can be, and when something regularly is for quiet time now.

We dont know that, I said maybe, you cant be sure that year with price cut will be peak year for PS4.

It's not impossible, but going from $300 to $200 is not usually, but maybe they will because you can for quite time now almost everywhere buy PS4 below $300.

And I will again say, price cut doesn't automatically means peak year in sales.

You love to discuss what isn't being said to deflect from what was said right?

If the system with stock shortages can get deals in less than 6 months, it will become common very fast. Go daily search around the globe and I'm sure you'll find deals every week.

We don't, but the way you phrase it you make like it's less likely to be up. It's unusual to cut from 299 to 199 because you said so? You had any issues with MS cuting from 499 to 399 and to 299?

Well you saying that I wrote some stuffs that I didn't.

Few local deals can't be stopped, deals like those from media market dont have anything with NIntendo and like that guy expanded for Media Market, on 95% Switch places price is regular (just look at Amazons for each country and you will get a picture). Also Nintendo hardware and SW usually have less has deals and discounts compared to Sony and MS, for instance Sony and MS always are giving great deals for Black Friday and that isn't case with Nintendo. 

No, I said we will see, and like I wrote, I expecting that this or next year to be peak year for PS4. No but beacuse its not that so common, MS went from $500 to $400 because they ditch Kinect, and after that they had price cut first to $350 not to $300. I dont see any reason why would console that is selling great had $100 price cut, $100 price cuts are usualy for consoles that are not selling good.



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Miyamotoo said:
Kerotan said:

Jesus I'm getting dizzy from all the spin. Just stop. Every thread you are on you try to downplay the massively successful ps4 sales. 

What's the big deal if ps4 regularly gets deals under it's official price? You think ps3, 360 and ps2 rtf didn't? Of course they did and so does the Xbox one. Switch will too. 

Than just stop reading if you are dizzy. ;)     I never try to downplay PS4 massive success, of course if we don't talk about PS4 Japanese sales where some people think they are "phenomenal". :D

It's not big deal, I just pointed that.

 

DonFerrari said:

You love to discuss what isn't being said to deflect from what was said right?

If the system with stock shortages can get deals in less than 6 months, it will become common very fast. Go daily search around the globe and I'm sure you'll find deals every week.

We don't, but the way you phrase it you make like it's less likely to be up. It's unusual to cut from 299 to 199 because you said so? You had any issues with MS cuting from 499 to 399 and to 299?

Well you saying that I wrote some stuffs that I didn't.

Few local deals can't be stopped, deals like those from media market dont have anything with NIntendo and like that guy expanded for Media Market, on 95% Switch places price is regular (just look at Amazons for each country and you will get a picture). Also Nintendo hardware and SW usually have less has deals and discounts compared to Sony and MS, for instance Sony and MS always are giving great deals for Black Friday and that isn't case with Nintendo. 

No, I said we will see, and like I wrote, I expecting that this or next year to be peak year for PS4. No but beacuse its not that so common, MS went from $500 to $400 because they ditch Kinect, and after that they had price cut first to $350 not to $300. I dont see any reason why would console that is selling great had $100 price cut, $100 price cuts are usualy for consoles that are not selling good.

Now where is Shadow to show the history of pricecuts for PS1, 2, 3 and 4 along the year of release??

Shall I remind you of the price cuts of Gamecube so we don't go to the ilusion of "Nintendo consoles doesn't get cuts and deals like others" or perhaps 3DS?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
Miyamotoo said:

Than just stop reading if you are dizzy. ;)     I never try to downplay PS4 massive success, of course if we don't talk about PS4 Japanese sales where some people think they are "phenomenal". :D

It's not big deal, I just pointed that.

 

Well you saying that I wrote some stuffs that I didn't.

Few local deals can't be stopped, deals like those from media market dont have anything with NIntendo and like that guy expanded for Media Market, on 95% Switch places price is regular (just look at Amazons for each country and you will get a picture). Also Nintendo hardware and SW usually have less has deals and discounts compared to Sony and MS, for instance Sony and MS always are giving great deals for Black Friday and that isn't case with Nintendo. 

No, I said we will see, and like I wrote, I expecting that this or next year to be peak year for PS4. No but beacuse its not that so common, MS went from $500 to $400 because they ditch Kinect, and after that they had price cut first to $350 not to $300. I dont see any reason why would console that is selling great had $100 price cut, $100 price cuts are usualy for consoles that are not selling good.

Now where is Shadow to show the history of pricecuts for PS1, 2, 3 and 4 along the year of release??

Shall I remind you of the price cuts of Gamecube so we don't go to the ilusion of "Nintendo consoles doesn't get cuts and deals like others" or perhaps 3DS?

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Price_cuts

I didnt wrote price cut but "deals and discounts" while GameCube had official price cut and that was because it didn't sell, GC had price cut of 50% in just 2 years, even 3DS has price cut of around 25% only 6 months after launch also because it didn't sell well. And its fact that Nintendo consoles doesnt have "deals and discounts" like others, like I wrote just look Black Friday offers from Sony/MS compared to Nintendo (not just for this year but for previous years also).



Miyamotoo said:
DonFerrari said:

Now where is Shadow to show the history of pricecuts for PS1, 2, 3 and 4 along the year of release??

Shall I remind you of the price cuts of Gamecube so we don't go to the ilusion of "Nintendo consoles doesn't get cuts and deals like others" or perhaps 3DS?

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Price_cuts

I didnt wrote price cut but "deals and discounts" while GameCube had official price cut and that was because it didn't sell, GC had price cut of 50% in just 2 years, even 3DS has price cut of around 25% only 6 months after launch also because it didn't sell well. And its fact that Nintendo consoles doesnt have "deals and discounts" like others, like I wrote just look Black Friday offers from Sony/MS compared to Nintendo (not just for this year but for previous years also).

Ok sure sure, Nintendo consoles don't get deals because of reasons.... the only I can think is that nintendo give smaller margins to stores.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Miyamotoo said:
DonFerrari said:

Now where is Shadow to show the history of pricecuts for PS1, 2, 3 and 4 along the year of release??

Shall I remind you of the price cuts of Gamecube so we don't go to the ilusion of "Nintendo consoles doesn't get cuts and deals like others" or perhaps 3DS?

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Price_cuts

I didnt wrote price cut but "deals and discounts" while GameCube had official price cut and that was because it didn't sell, GC had price cut of 50% in just 2 years, even 3DS has price cut of around 25% only 6 months after launch also because it didn't sell well. And its fact that Nintendo consoles doesnt have "deals and discounts" like others, like I wrote just look Black Friday offers from Sony/MS compared to Nintendo (not just for this year but for previous years also).

Please  stop,your making  a fool out of  yourself  and being  a bit to fanboy. 

 

Ps4 is having  massive  success  something  Nintendo  still need needs to.

 

ps3 whas a dud and will never happenagain .n



 

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DonFerrari said:
Miyamotoo said:

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Price_cuts

I didnt wrote price cut but "deals and discounts" while GameCube had official price cut and that was because it didn't sell, GC had price cut of 50% in just 2 years, even 3DS has price cut of around 25% only 6 months after launch also because it didn't sell well. And its fact that Nintendo consoles doesnt have "deals and discounts" like others, like I wrote just look Black Friday offers from Sony/MS compared to Nintendo (not just for this year but for previous years also).

Ok sure sure, Nintendo consoles don't get deals because of reasons.... the only I can think is that nintendo give smaller margins to stores.

Well there is thing like unofficial price cut, where you have official MSRP but in reality price is lower on almost hole market, Nintendo dont gave deals and discounts like others because they would mean less profit for them, and they mostly only have official price cuts without great deals and discounts like others, similar goes for SW, you'll rearly see big discount for Nintendo games compared to other games on market.

 

xl-klaudkil said:
Miyamotoo said:

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Price_cuts

I didnt wrote price cut but "deals and discounts" while GameCube had official price cut and that was because it didn't sell, GC had price cut of 50% in just 2 years, even 3DS has price cut of around 25% only 6 months after launch also because it didn't sell well. And its fact that Nintendo consoles doesnt have "deals and discounts" like others, like I wrote just look Black Friday offers from Sony/MS compared to Nintendo (not just for this year but for previous years also).

Please  stop,your making  a fool out of  yourself  and being  a bit to fanboy. 

Ps4 is having  massive  success  something  Nintendo  still need needs to.

ps3 whas a dud and will never happenagain .n

Take deep breath and read what you wrote, you will see you are here acting like fanboy, things you wrote don't have anything with what we are talking here.



Miyamotoo said:
DonFerrari said:

Ok sure sure, Nintendo consoles don't get deals because of reasons.... the only I can think is that nintendo give smaller margins to stores.

Well there is thing like unofficial price cut, where you have official MSRP but in reality price is lower on almost hole market, Nintendo dont gave deals and discounts like others because they would mean less profit for them, and they mostly only have official price cuts without great deals and discounts like others, similar goes for SW, you'll rearly see big discount for Nintendo games compared to other games on market.

xl-klaudkil said:

Please  stop,your making  a fool out of  yourself  and being  a bit to fanboy. 

Ps4 is having  massive  success  something  Nintendo  still need needs to.

ps3 whas a dud and will never happenagain .n

Take deep breath and read what you wrote, you will see you are here acting like fanboy, things you wrote don't have anything with what we are talking here.

Yes we know that Nintendo loves higher margins than other companies, but for some reason they are liked for having high margins and others are hated.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
Miyamotoo said:

Well there is thing like unofficial price cut, where you have official MSRP but in reality price is lower on almost hole market, Nintendo dont gave deals and discounts like others because they would mean less profit for them, and they mostly only have official price cuts without great deals and discounts like others, similar goes for SW, you'll rearly see big discount for Nintendo games compared to other games on market.

Take deep breath and read what you wrote, you will see you are here acting like fanboy, things you wrote don't have anything with what we are talking here.

Yes we know that Nintendo loves higher margins than other companies, but for some reason they are liked for having high margins and others are hated.

Well Nintendo is only gaming company compared to Sony and MS that have other divisons that could help them, and they always are going for high profit because gaming is everything they are doing, I mean Wii U and 3DS are all Nintendo consoles that were not selling with profit right from launch.



Miyamotoo said:
DonFerrari said:

Yes we know that Nintendo loves higher margins than other companies, but for some reason they are liked for having high margins and others are hated.

Well Nintendo is only gaming company compared to Sony and MS that have other divisons that could help them, and they always are going for high profit because gaming is everything they are doing, I mean Wii U and 3DS are all Nintendo consoles that were not selling with profit right from launch.

I have nothing against Nintendo doing good and making profit. My only issue is people criticizing AAA putting 100M on a game to sell 10M and make good profit versus Nintendo puting 10M and selling 15M at the same pricetag, asking the others to better manage their budget.

To me a 30% margin is more than decent, if a company is making much more than that, then they should be investing that in making even better things for me, or charge less.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
Miyamotoo said:

Well Nintendo is only gaming company compared to Sony and MS that have other divisons that could help them, and they always are going for high profit because gaming is everything they are doing, I mean Wii U and 3DS are all Nintendo consoles that were not selling with profit right from launch.

I have nothing against Nintendo doing good and making profit. My only issue is people criticizing AAA putting 100M on a game to sell 10M and make good profit versus Nintendo puting 10M and selling 15M at the same pricetag, asking the others to better manage their budget.

To me a 30% margin is more than decent, if a company is making much more than that, then they should be investing that in making even better things for me, or charge less.

Well that come to personal taste, that $10m game can be better, more fun or game with more content compared to $100m game, it doesn't really matters if one game looks like movie and other like cartoon.

I think Nintendo definitely goes for much more higher margin than 30% for their games or consoles addons, for instance they said they need to sell around 2m copies of Zelda BotW to make profit and they will sell around 10m most likely.