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Who do you support?

Spain 139 59.40%
 
Catalonia 95 40.60%
 
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Tryklon said:
Player2 said:

Catalonia has never been a standalone nation.

Are you trying to put on the same level the current democratic regime and Franco's dictatorship? Many things were banned during Franco's dictatorship, but Catalonian wasn't one of them (Eduard Punset dixit). It just wasn't an official language, like it happens in Rosellón (Catalonian region under France's control) right now. On the other hand Franco spent more money rebuilding Catalonia after the civil war than any other region.

Less than 50% of the people who voted backed independentist parties last elections (they had less than 50% of the popular vote).

All this has a simple solution. Let Catalunya vote on a legal referendum. That will settle it...

I ask again, why won't they allow it? I'll let you guess...

How could the referendum be legal when it's against the constitution? You can't just snap your fingers for it to become legal.

I mean sure Rajoy could just let them vote, but if the results were positive towards an independent state, he would have all the powers to just say: nah it's illegal, constitutional court said so. (btw. anyone could do that. Doesn't have to be Rajoy).

The result of that would be the exact same situation as what's going on right now.

Last edited by Barozi - on 28 October 2017

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vivster said:

Look at what happened with Brexit or Crimea. Everyone is fucked now because some special snowflakes dreamed of their own country one day.

Oh my god, wow.

Crimea was annexed to Russia, so is hardly a small country. Brexit - I voted remain, but the UK is the fifth largest economy in the world. Even though I think there's going to be a lot of issues that leavers are refusing to acknowledge its not going to be complete armageddon. Plus, the UK was its country already, just decided to work with a group of others, which some people thought meant we had no independence. Sigh.



vivster said:

Look at what happened with Brexit or Crimea. Everyone is fucked now because some special snowflakes dreamed of their own country one day.

Neither of those two were with the goals of independence, unless you're considering the EU a country, and the UK getting its independence from that.



So much stupid behaviour from all sides. I truly hope Spain doesn’t end in a civil war and drags the EU down with it.



I expect the EU to support a clear display of freedom of choice.

The Spanish constitution was obviously dictatorial in this aspect.

Effin castellans better stop the abuse. Learn that people don't want to be forced into your phony union.



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Smartie900 said:
Spain is not gonna want to give up Catalonia. It is one of their most economically successful subdivision and is the 2nd most populous of the country. Spain would be weak as shit without them.

That is clearly dictatorial behaviour.

It's irrelevant what they want. What is relevant is what catalunyans want.



International recognition seems to be going well

Red = states not recognizing Catalonia is independent, instead recognizing it as part of Spain
Green = states recognizing Catalonia as independent



Who cares what other countries think, this about about Catalans. Stand your ground Catalunya!



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poklane said:

International recognition seems to be going well

Red = states not recognizing Catalonia is independent, instead recognizing it as part of Spain
Green = states recognizing Catalonia as independent

Lmao, they live in an imaginary country now



Tryklon said:
Who cares what other countries think, this about about Catalans. Stand your ground Catalunya!

Who cares? lol

So I guess I can declare my house an independent republic, who cares if nobody else recognize it xD