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Forums - Nintendo Discussion - BoTW will win more GOTY awards than SMO. (minor spoilers)

PEEPer0nni said:

So after watching snippets of leaked footage (some have beaten the game already but I won't spoil you the ending) I can safely say that the new Mario game can be described as lazy in many regards. 

1. Some kingdoms look flat, empty and simplistic. It seems like Nintendo showed only their best kingdoms to the public because the game has a kingdom that is only one color (stage and background) + some clouds to jump on. A heavy downgrade in comparision to Galaxy which was incredibly detailed.

2. The leves are smaller than expected. Particullary the stage with the dinosaur is very small and defeats the purpose of this beast because you're going to use it for less than a minute. There's a kingdom that has 0 interactivity and you can beat it in a couple of minutes.

3. (This is going to be an important reason why some critics may give it a lower score). THE GAME IS SHORT. By my estimates you can beat this game in less than 8 hours (8 hours is probably going to be the avarage) another letdown in comparision to Galaxy that was 20 hours long on average.

No doubt that the game will probably have 95+ on meta but I can see it receive more criticism after the hype dies down.

...The new Mario "lazy"? That's what you've taken from the endless footage and such that we've seen and the onslaught of 10/10's?

These worlds are stuffed to the brim with things to find. This bit about it being short is silly, as most Mario games can be beaten relatively quickly if you're just looking for the "ending". A huge part of what makes Mario enjoyable, though, is the need to explore and find things for yourself. You think in Super Mario 64 everyone just stopped at 70 stars and called it a day? The reviews I've seen suggest there's an enormous amount of things to do even after you beat the game, including some seriously challenging gauntlet-style levels... Simply reaching the end only matters when your game is extremely linear; do people still not recognize this?

I will say, though, that I suspect Zelda may still win more accolades, but there's a big reason for that. Odyssey (and all 3D platformers for that matter) exist almost in their own genre, a genre they've so mastered that the rare game that attempts to dabble in it (such as Yooka-Laylee) doesn't even come close. Zelda, though, has introduced concepts, physics, and mechanics into the Open World genre, which is currently one of the hottest and most common genres in gaming. For that reason I think Zelda's contributions to gaming are probably larger and, as such, will probably mean it receives more credit.



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How do you know so much about Mario ?



Oneeee-Chan!!! said:

How do you know so much about Mario ?

Because I have access to the internet. I know it's a luxury but c'mon.



JRPGfan said:
Flilix said:

You can finish Breath of the Wild in an hour. However, I'm currently over 90 hours in that game, I'm enjoying it a lot, and I'm still not even at the half of the game. What makes you think Mario Odyssey will be different?

Its actually only 422 minutes until hes through the game.

So he beat it in 7hours.

 

Mandalore76 said:

 By 1st playthrough, you mean going straight to the final boss and skipping ALL of the other content in the game, including additional content that unlocks after beating the final boss.    Most people who play Super Mario Odyssey aren't going to go straight to the final boss and consider the game done and be ignorant of all the other places there are yet to go to in the game.  If you want to skip content and call a game short because of things you are purposely ignoring, then whatever floats your boat.

 from:          http://www.accelerated-ideas.com/news/super-mario-odyssey-how-long-to-beat-the-game-and-how.aspx              

1st Ending

From my experience it takes roughly 9-10 hours to reach and beat the final BOSS and unlock the 1st ending. This is based on an average players skill.

Players only need to collect approximately 120 Power Moons to complete the story.

I would expect that experienced Mario players could knock that time down to 7-8 hours and speedrunners could take that down even further.

100% Completion

The estimates above only count the time taken to reach the 1st ending and do not consider the end-game content or 100% completion. Unlocking the secret kingdoms by collecting the milestone 250 and 500 Power Moons will take you considerably longer

In my experience again, it can take at least 30 hours to hunt down and collect all 800+ Power Moons to reach the 100% achievement. This includes beating the BOSS rematches and conquering the "Champions Road" challenge.

Choosing to go after the remaining moons opens up a tonne of new content that allows you to enjoy the full experience of Mario Odyssey. I strongly recommend that everyone venture down this path after beating the story.

It kinda sucks its that short.

The real game then would be to 100% it, and putin those 30hours.

Mario Galaxy 2 was like 14hours to beat? so this is like half that length.

 Maybe to rush through the single player version is shorter than Galaxy.  But total game appears on par:

https://howlongtobeat.com/game.php?id=9378

Super Mario Galaxy 2

Main Story
13½ Hours
  • Main + Extras
    21½ Hours
  • Completionist
    34½ Hours


  • I think BOTW has GOTY in the bag.

    It's a more drastic change for the series than what SMO is.



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    PEEPer0nni said:
    Oneeee-Chan!!! said:

    How do you know so much about Mario ?

    Because I have access to the internet. I know it's a luxury but c'mon.

    Seems  I waste my time.



    Oneeee-Chan!!! said:
    PEEPer0nni said:

    Because I have access to the internet. I know it's a luxury but c'mon.

    Seems  I waste my time.

    Think he was just after the record for fastest thread to age poorly.



    IGN review:

    I’d spent the last 15 hours with a giant grin on my face,
    (...)
    And best of all, even with the story complete, Odyssey has so much more fun to offer.
    (...)
    I did my best to search thoroughly on my first pass through the campaign, but only ended up with a little more than 200, or less than a quarter of the total complement of collectible celestials.



    Wright said:
    Miyamotoo said:

    I didn't said he beat game in speed run, but that you can beat game ever for shorter time in speed run, but that doesn't mean that game is short, it's obvious that game has plenty of content.

    I don't think a speedrun is a valid comparison, because some people are mad crazy with time-saving strategies and thus generally have a sense of knowledge of the game that hardly anyone else has.

    That being said, I agree with the sentiment that a game being shorter than other (let's say that's indeed the case with Odyssey) isn't inherently a negative thing. Not all games require the same length.

    A games value is the dollar cost divided by its hours, so if we're comparing it to BOTW and it's shorter then of course BOTW is the better game



    contestgamer said:

    A games value is the dollar cost divided by its hours, so if we're comparing it to BOTW and it's shorter then of course BOTW is the better game

    You're not adding replayability/added value a game might have, which makes that entire statement completely moot. There's certain things that have no measurable way to check them out; for all we know, finding all korok seeds without a guide takes much less time than finding all moons in Mario, which could easily boost the later's playtime and become, in essence, a longer game to properly beat. By your money logic, SMO has suddenly become the better game.

    If we focus entirely on how fast you can beat a game without taking anything else in consideration, then things get twice as complicated, because Breath of the Wild takes less than an hour to be completed.

    Also, I might have understood you wrong, but "Game value is the dollar cost divided by its hours" makes no sense, at all. The equation would be G.Value = Price / Total hours. This basically means the more expensive and shorter a game is, the better numerical value.

    Let's put it in motion:

    Cuphead

    https://howlongtobeat.com/game.php?id=21680

    Completionist takes 14 hours. The game was priced at 20 bucks.

    Game Value of Cuphead = 20 / 14 = 1.42

    Horizon: Zero Dawn

    https://howlongtobeat.com/game.php?id=26784

    Completionist takes 58 hours. The game was priced at 60 bucks.

    Game Value of Horizon = 60 / 58 = 1.03

     

    Cuphead has the higher value, therefore Cuphead is the better game. That's how the logic you just established works.