What does Forza have to do with my post?

And outselling GT6 (if it does) still doesn't mean it isn't a bomb. GT6 sold poorly for a GT game.

This game released in 2017. It should be compared to it's contemporary releases, not games that released almost a decade or more ago (FM3 released in 2009, GT3 released in 2001). FM7 is miles ahead in terms of content, despite having a shorter dev cycle.

It does have a substantial online mode though. So substantial that they saw it fit to make almost the whole game rely on being online. And with no proper campaign.

I'm sure the gameplay is the best it has been, but that doesn't automatically make it the best game. Not in my eyes at least. I think PD/Sony can and should do better, and I hope this spurs them to do so.

Imo we will see a GT7 in a few years.  Time will tell who's right. 

No need for doom talk. The game has more content than Gran Turismo 1, 2 or 3! It has almost as much content as Forza 3 had plus an innovative and substantial online mode and VR!

The people that are actually playing it are saying the best things about it, the biggest gripe atm is the lack of tracks.

thanks for worrying but the series is not just fine, it was the totally right thing to drop all the old and low-fi content. Not sure if you’ve tried the game yourself already...if you haven’t you should do it. It’s the best GT and most fun to drive than GT4 at least, if not ever.

Can we do the same for MH5? 

This game released in 2017. It should be compared to it's contemporary releases, not games that released almost a decade or more ago (FM3 released in 2009, GT3 released in 2001). FM7 is miles ahead in terms of content, despite having a shorter dev cycle.

It does have a substantial online mode though. So substantial that they saw it fit to make almost the whole game rely on being online. And with no proper campaign.

I'm sure the gameplay is the best it has been, but that doesn't automatically make it the best game. Not in my eyes at least. I think PD/Sony can and should do better, and I hope this spurs them to do so.

This game released in 2017. It should be compared to it's contemporary releases, not games that released almost a decade or more ago (FM3 released in 2009, GT3 released in 2001). FM7 is miles ahead in terms of content, despite having a shorter dev cycle.

It does have a substantial online mode though. So substantial that they saw it fit to make almost the whole game rely on being online. And with no proper campaign.

I'm sure the gameplay is the best it has been, but that doesn't automatically make it the best game. Not in my eyes at least. I think PD/Sony can and should do better, and I hope this spurs them to do so.

Still don't get where you got the FM5 part from. You were the first to mention it. But for what it's worth, the PS4 is way more successful than the PS3, while the XBO is less successful than the Xbox 360. So of course I'd expect the PS4 installments of GT to sell more than the PS3 installments, and the XBO installments of Forza to sell less than the 360 installments.

We are talking UK here right? The X1 in UK isn't doing much worse than X360. FM5 comes from your assumption that just being a new first installment on a platform that is doing good put it at higher sales.

As for the second point, first of all, GT6 hasn't sold 6 million, it has sold a bit more than 5 (5.17 million). And that is of course a high number, but.... GT5 sold 11.95 million. So GT6 was down over 56% from GT5. Now, for GT6, I can see good explanations (ie. launching at the same time as the PS4), but for GT Sport to sell as little - on the PS4 no less? That isn't good regardless of how you put it.

I haven't said GTS selling 6M is good considering other GTs, you said it is a bomb, is it a bomb?

Okay so you admit that GT Sport is lacking in content compared to its competitors, but you think it's justified because it's the first GT on PS4. But once again, GT Sport isn't arriving at the same time as FM5, it's arriving 4 years later. 

Nope, I agree it focused in a different direction and so if you are locking at content where they didn't put their focus there is less, just that. I didn't said I think it's justifiable because it's the first, I explained the other guy reasoning. But sure being the first game all content is new and the competitors that are on 2nd and 3rd iteraction of a genre that adds up will have an easier time putting more into it.

I will do the same questioning I done to azzanation. Where are your posts criticizing FM5 to release with little content compared to GT6 that launched close to it.

This game released in 2017. It should be compared to it's contemporary releases, not games that released almost a decade or more ago (FM3 released in 2009, GT3 released in 2001). FM7 is miles ahead in terms of content, despite having a shorter dev cycle.

It does have a substantial online mode though. So substantial that they saw it fit to make almost the whole game rely on being online. And with no proper campaign.

I'm sure the gameplay is the best it has been, but that doesn't automatically make it the best game. Not in my eyes at least. I think PD/Sony can and should do better, and I hope this spurs them to do so.

Shorter development cycle?! Now you gotta be kidding me.

Forza 7 is just an updated Forza 6 with all payed DLCs which just was an updated Forza 5 with all payed DLCs...Which started development after Forza 4. Like 6 years ago.

pCARS 2 is an updated PCARS which started development like what, 7 years ago?!

Polyphony deliberately scrapped all the old shit and started again from 0.

Why are people behaving so unreasonably?!