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NeoGAF in shambles (now back, no OT discussion, statement from Evilore)

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RolStoppable said:
GribbleGrunger said:

It doesn't 'prove' anything. People immediately want to put distance between themselves and controversy. I think that's what we're seeing here. How would those mods know any more than we do? Think about. I'm NOT saying he's innocent and I'm NOT saying he's guilty, I'm just saying we need to see proof and the woman in question needs to be asked some obvious questions, but unfortunately people are affraid to ask those questions because they fear it may look like they're siding with someone who has already been found guilty based on tweets and facebook. For society to function fairly, we need to have both parties questioned and not favour one over the other. I know for a victim of REAL sexual assault it's a harrowing time (I feel for their pain) but this is why we have courts and why real proof is needed. Have people even considered what questions need asking? I bet they haven't. They're just jumping on a bandwaggon set in motion by the recent Hollywood revelations. 

Yes, the reaction of many NeoGAF moderators doesn't constitute definitive proof, but it's a clear indicator that the accusation isn't slander.

The mods know more than we do because they received message from Evilore directly.

You're forgettingt that terms like "sexual assault" and "rape culture" include things that aren't sexual assault neither rape to MANY. NeoGaf mods weren't the brightest bulb in the room and it wouldn't surprise me if this whole thing is blown out of proportion.

lol@Khan and others calling facebook and twiiter Nazi-friendly websites. Well, I am glad your safe space (neogaf) got burnt to the ground.



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RolStoppable said:

Yes, the reaction of many NeoGAF moderators doesn't constitute definitive proof, but it's a clear indicator that the accusation isn't slander.

The mods know more than we do because they received message from Evilore directly.

This is a serious matter. There are NO conclusions to be drawn from such fragile evidence, assumption and heresay. I'm not having a go at you here, I'm just calling for people to stop and consider where we are going with these recent accusations. This is a dangerous mindset we're cultivating at the moment and it needs to stop.



 

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so that's the reason i couldn't reach the site



i suppose now people are beginning to understand what happens when you build hysteria over something as complicated as human sexual interaction

as i said in another thread... somewhere down the line it is very likely that you will end up on the chopping block yourself over something that was innocuous or even false

this is also why "innocent until proven guilty" is the idea at the center of the justice system

apparently this guy was one of the people pushing people to be hysterical over these issues... so i truly have no sympathy for him... he's not the first and he won't be the last



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You're forgettingt that terms like "sexual assault" and "rape culture" include things that aren't sexual assault neither rape to MANY. NeoGaf mods weren't the brightest bulb in the room and it wouldn't surprise me if this whole thing is blown out of proportion.

lol@Khan and others calling facebook and twiiter Nazi-friendly websites. Well, I am glad your safe space (neogaf) got burnt to the ground.

Yes, the very definition has been heavily manipulated in recent years and many feminists are speaking out about it. BUT, that doesn't mean this falls into that catagory, just that it needs to be considered once we get the full picture. Remember, he got into the shower, she said she wasn't into cheating and he then left. He 'assumed' she was interested, that's it, until we here differently. Is it something that needs to dog him through life? Is it fair if that is ALL that happened? 



 

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GribbleGrunger said:
RolStoppable said:

Yes, the reaction of many NeoGAF moderators doesn't constitute definitive proof, but it's a clear indicator that the accusation isn't slander.

The mods know more than we do because they received message from Evilore directly.

This is a serious matter. There are NO conclusions to be drawn from such fragile evidence, assumption and heresay. I'm not having a go at you here, I'm just calling for people to stop and consider where we are going with these recent accusations. This is a dangerous mindset we're cultivating at the moment and it needs to stop.

 very true... but if you try to bring reason to these types of issues in recent times, you get immediately branded as a nazi by some people or some other silly label that allows them to forego the nuance of these types of issues



Wow, surprised to see GAF go down so quickly. There have been so many sexual assault related news stories lately. I was just reading about one on ARS and somebody in the comments mentioned GAF imploding because of the same thing.

With the moderators gone, there is probably no way it recovers. 




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LurkerJ said:
RolStoppable said:

Yes, the reaction of many NeoGAF moderators doesn't constitute definitive proof, but it's a clear indicator that the accusation isn't slander.

The mods know more than we do because they received message from Evilore directly.

You're forgettingt that terms like "sexual assault" and "rape culture" include things that aren't sexual assault neither rape to MANY. NeoGaf mods weren't the brightest bulb in the room and it wouldn't surprise me if this whole thing is blown out of proportion.

lol@Khan and others calling facebook and twiiter Nazi-friendly websites. Well, I am glad your safe space (neogaf) got burnt to the ground.

You are correct that they can't be bright because they did partake in covering up for someone who got arrested for child pornography. But that doesn't mean that they will let themselves be fooled twice like that and loyalty only goes so far.

GribbleGrunger said:

This is a serious matter. There are NO conclusions to be drawn from such fragile evidence, assumption and heresay. I'm not having a go at you here, I'm just calling for people to stop and consider where we are going with these recent accusations. This is a dangerous mindset we're cultivating at the moment and it needs to stop.

If Evilore was innocent, all he had to do was issue an official response to the allegations. Instead he ordered his mod team to censor all discussion about the topic. His behavior doesn't reflect the one of an innocent person, but rather the behavior of someone who got caught red-handed. Granting the benefit of the doubt after such actions is overly generous.



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Mr Khan said:
Hi everybody.

Poking my head in for the first time since i wandered off after getting de-Modded. I did end up going to Penny Arcade (by Khuutra's recommendation), and to GAF eventually, though i only really started getting deep in there after the 2016 US elections.

Haven't seen a community that better-reflected my views on things. The reason it collapsed so quickly with the revelations is because the leadership was very invested in creating a better class of environment than too much of the gaming community (not that VGC was ever that bad, thanks to the mods, but the amount of people in this thread using SJW as a pejorative is a huge fucking red flag). I basically lived out of their politics thread, and their views on Nazi-punching were delightful. Spent relatively little time on Gaming-side, not because the interest isn't there anymore (playing as much or more than i ever have been, Switch is awesome), but because the cool discussion was really on the other side. They had a large black community of users and a good-sized cohort of women, and i learned a lot there about respect for marginalized groups and about the experiences of others who aren't me (a young, white, straight, cis-male).

I hope some of the old admins build a new community, but what's gone is gone since forums like there (or here), are a relic in the social media age where discussion is people using places like Nazi-friendly twitter and facebook or just going to Discord. Replacing it might not be a question, because so much of its power was in inertia, though some of the top people clearly had industry connections (through their method of having the mod team verify industry insiders who would carefully leak information) and could be an asset in other places.

It really hurts to see that gone. Shame on EvilLore for taking down such a beautiful thing with him, but good on the mods and admins who were willing to take sexual assault seriously.

This is one of the best posts I've seen in this thread. I am unaffiliated with NeoGAF and this both lays out what happens and puts your own experience in there. 

I dont really have much to say about this because I am not really gaf affiliated but I do get the appeal of the site and why people (and mods) have reacted the way that they have. 



RolStoppable said:

If Evilore was innocent, all he had to do was issue an official response to the allegations. Instead he ordered his mod team to censor all discussion about the topic. His behavior doesn't reflect the one of an innocent person, but rather the behavior of someone who got caught red-handed. Granting the benefit of the doubt after such actions is overly generous.

Whether he responded to it correctly or not is not an indication of anything other than he made the wrong call. It's NOT proof of guilt. You are just a user on VGC, GAF is a huge site. Just 'think' how would you handle it? More threads are being created, you're trying to think of a way of explaining something with NO proof because it didn't happen (just for the sake of this post), Twitter and Facebook are spreading it everywhere and you have already been deemed 'guilty'. I think I'd panic in that situation too.

Just for one moment sit back and consider this from a neutral position. Just look at the facts (I can't find any) we have at the moment and don't draw conclusions based on accusations. 



 

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