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DonFerrari on 20 October 2017
ironmanDX said:
DonFerrari said:

Matches what I said/remembered about half being for the game and the other for UI and seems like presentation.

I wonder if the upcoming revision of the PS4 pro hardware will change that. They've had the pro out in the wild for a while now.

Well, we all expected sony would release some of the 3Gb of RAM they reserved for the OS in the start of the gen and it didn't happen, so I don't think this will change. Considering my UI is already slow as fuck but I care much more about the game I'm playing I would love base PS4 get 7Gb to games and PS4Pro 8 Gb or close to it even if the UI need to be simplified and less pretty. But we know several users will complain about it.

But perhaps now with X1X having 9Gb for gaming Sony will move to release a little more RAM to help PS4Pro on the 4k aspect.

Slownenberg said:
I find it hilarious that anyone would care about those differences. I mean as a developer/artist working on the game sure they should be proud. But as a gamer...who cares?! They both have advanced graphics, one has a little bit more detailed graphics. Won't affect gameplay at all.

We gamers are suckers for eyecandy, I'm sure I'm. So even minute differences are talked a lot.

Aeolus451 said:
jason1637 said:

The first game you had to grind to many hours. Also it's not as bad as you make it out to be. Mordor is around 23 hours to beat the story and extras https://howlongtobeat.com/game.php?id=18006 .

Shadow of War is 35 hours to beat the game and extras. https://howlongtobeat.com/game.php?id=44022

You can play the game  without lootboxes and without hundreds of hours of grinding. 

True but that's not why people are making a fuss over loot boxes. Ya ever hear of that saying "give an inch and they'll take a mile"? People want to stop it before it gets worse. 

Here's where activsion is playing around with matchmaking algorithms that pit noob players against experienced players with the goal of them hopefully buying in-game items with money. 

"For instance, the microtransaction engine may match a more expert/marquee player with a junior player to encourage the junior player to make game-related purchases of items possessed/used by the marquee player. A junior player may wish to emulate the marquee player by obtaining weapons or other items used by the marquee player.”

The system looks at players’ profiles to determine their specific playstyles. One example given by the patent is that a player who has shown a proclivity towards sniper rifles will be paired with a player who is proficient with this type of weapon. The novice player may then be influenced to purchase the sniper rifle (and gear) used by the expert player. After this purchase, the player would then be placed in a match where sniper rifles are advantageous, thus encouraging future purchases."

https://www.geek.com/games/activision-patents-matchmaking-algorithm-to-make-players-spend-money-1719969/

It's just better to nip this kind of shit in the butt instead of ignoring this kind of crap til it's too imbedded into the games to reverse it. As soon as they push for an itch, raise some hell. 

Very dirt move to make noob go against top to face countless frustration and entice the buying of things that won't really help his skills.... love the system GTS will use that take your level and qualification time to make a close matchmaking, most fighting and FPS games with levels do similar things... Activision is really going out of their way to nick and dime the players.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Vasto on 20 October 2017

That is still not the final build so things should look even better.




Louie on 20 October 2017

The improvements are nice and noticeable. I'm sure the Xbox One X will be a great piece of hardware. I'm even interested in getting one but I'd also need a 4k TV, upgrade my internet connection so I can stream stuff at 4k (1440p is the maximum resolution I can stream without hiccups) and then there's also the fact that lots of content is not even available in 4k and I'm not really a hardcore gamer. So far, 4k content is still a niche for enthusiasts, unfortunately.



DonFerrari on 20 October 2017
Louie said:
The improvements are nice and noticeable. I'm sure the Xbox One X will be a great piece of hardware. I'm even interested in getting one but I'd also need a 4k TV, upgrade my internet connection so I can stream stuff at 4k (1440p is the maximum resolution I can stream without hiccups) and then there's also the fact that lots of content is not even available in 4k and I'm not really a hardcore gamer. So far, 4k content is still a niche for enthusiasts, unfortunately.

From your situation the least improvement you need is the Xbox.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

S.T.A.G.E. on 20 October 2017

I am not waiting to see what Microsoft does with multiplats on the X, but rather exclusives. Halo 6 and gears better use up every bit of that power of else its launch was for nothing.



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SvennoJ on 20 October 2017
Louie said:
The improvements are nice and noticeable. I'm sure the Xbox One X will be a great piece of hardware. I'm even interested in getting one but I'd also need a 4k TV, upgrade my internet connection so I can stream stuff at 4k (1440p is the maximum resolution I can stream without hiccups) and then there's also the fact that lots of content is not even available in 4k and I'm not really a hardcore gamer. So far, 4k content is still a niche for enthusiasts, unfortunately.

I was in the same boat at you. Can't stream 4K consistently (Netflix still regularly drops to dvd quality on my connection), not interested in paying the premium on 4K UHD discs as I'm not double dipping again for minor benefits (nothing like dvd to blu-ray) and new movies are kinda lacking. Plus sound options are exactly the same on blu and 4k versions, and I would actually have to downgrade to lossy 5.1 if I want to watch 4K UHD (hdmi 1.4 amp) As for games, I mostly game in VR nowadays.

However my old tv broke, good 1080 tvs are extinct, and I value black level more than anything when buying a new set. Since OLED is still bloody expensive for 65" I got a good HDR set with local dimming and great black level. 65" however is still a it small to really notice 4K resolution unless you stand right in front of it. What does make all the difference in HDR and good use of wide color. GT Sport looks phenomenal. I was a skeptic at first and even though HZD looks great in 4K HDR, the upgrade is not that profound to use DF's terminology.  GT Sport however is the killer app for HDR atm, color use and lighting are tailor made for HDR sets. The difference between GT Sport on my 1080p projector and 4K HDR set is night and day. It's displaying shades of colors I've never seen come out a tv before. Rebuilding the game from the ground up with bt.2020 color space in mind was worth it.

Yet talk about niche, one game that makes full use of the new 4K HDR sets, a game that's lacking content and is marred by always online requirement.

Is it good enough to abandon my projector and park my chair in front of the tv to play GT Sport, you betcha.
Is it good enough to spend CAD 600 on an XBox One X, nah. I'll be back to VR when Skyrim comes out.

Anyway if your current tv is still fine, just wait until full HDR sets become more affordable and maybe HDMI 2.1 will be out by then (for variable frame rates like g-sync) The bits of 4K video content I managed to watch on the tv look nice, not worth the upgrade though.




DonFerrari on 20 October 2017
SvennoJ said:
Louie said:
The improvements are nice and noticeable. I'm sure the Xbox One X will be a great piece of hardware. I'm even interested in getting one but I'd also need a 4k TV, upgrade my internet connection so I can stream stuff at 4k (1440p is the maximum resolution I can stream without hiccups) and then there's also the fact that lots of content is not even available in 4k and I'm not really a hardcore gamer. So far, 4k content is still a niche for enthusiasts, unfortunately.

I was in the same boat at you. Can't stream 4K consistently (Netflix still regularly drops to dvd quality on my connection), not interested in paying the premium on 4K UHD discs as I'm not double dipping again for minor benefits (nothing like dvd to blu-ray) and new movies are kinda lacking. Plus sound options are exactly the same on blu and 4k versions, and I would actually have to downgrade to lossy 5.1 if I want to watch 4K UHD (hdmi 1.4 amp) As for games, I mostly game in VR nowadays.

However my old tv broke, good 1080 tvs are extinct, and I value black level more than anything when buying a new set. Since OLED is still bloody expensive for 65" I got a good HDR set with local dimming and great black level. 65" however is still a it small to really notice 4K resolution unless you stand right in front of it. What does make all the difference in HDR and good use of wide color. GT Sport looks phenomenal. I was a skeptic at first and even though HZD looks great in 4K HDR, the upgrade is not that profound to use DF's terminology.  GT Sport however is the killer app for HDR atm, color use and lighting are tailor made for HDR sets. The difference between GT Sport on my 1080p projector and 4K HDR set is night and day. It's displaying shades of colors I've never seen come out a tv before. Rebuilding the game from the ground up with bt.2020 color space in mind was worth it.

Yet talk about niche, one game that makes full use of the new 4K HDR sets, a game that's lacking content and is marred by always online requirement.

Is it good enough to abandon my projector and park my chair in front of the tv to play GT Sport, you betcha.
Is it good enough to spend CAD 600 on an XBox One X, nah. I'll be back to VR when Skyrim comes out.

Anyway if your current tv is still fine, just wait until full HDR sets become more affordable and maybe HDMI 2.1 will be out by then (for variable frame rates like g-sync) The bits of 4K video content I managed to watch on the tv look nice, not worth the upgrade though.

In Brazil they ask for over 25Mbps for 4k streaming, but there isn't that much good content anyway....

I play at under 6ft of my 65" so It almost use all my vision area =]

Yesterday I showed my wife the heaviest screen saver I ever had, GTS beta with 45 Gb of data and now only working as screen saver kkk, she was quite impressed.

About the never seem colors... I fall in love with my TV when I first hooked it up and gone to YT and put the Sony 4K demo... even coming out of YT and not having full HDR it looked fantastic... The animals and landscapes looked surreal.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Mafioso on 20 October 2017

My body is ready for the X.

2018-2019 will be fun building a new i7 8700K rig too once Big Volta Ti is out.



PC I i7 3770K @4.5Ghz I 16GB 2400Mhz I GTX 980Ti FTW

Consoles I PS4 Pro I Xbox One S 2TB I Wii U I Xbox 360 S

SvennoJ on 20 October 2017
DonFerrari said:

In Brazil they ask for over 25Mbps for 4k streaming, but there isn't that much good content anyway....

I play at under 6ft of my 65" so It almost use all my vision area =]

Yesterday I showed my wife the heaviest screen saver I ever had, GTS beta with 45 Gb of data and now only working as screen saver kkk, she was quite impressed.

About the never seem colors... I fall in love with my TV when I first hooked it up and gone to YT and put the Sony 4K demo... even coming out of YT and not having full HDR it looked fantastic... The animals and landscapes looked surreal.

I was wondering how you were playing the GT Sport beta last night! I leave the game on as well, great HDR screensaver when idle.

I did the same thing when I got the tv, watch the 4k store demos on you tube. They Look great in slow movement (otherwise I get too many compression artifacts), however those videos are heavily processed to make these tvs look good, they made planet earth 2 look a bit pedestrian. (which looks great as well, but real instead of surreal)

Here Netflix detected my tv and immediately wanted me to upgrade to 4K for $5 a month extra. I checked my to watch list, nothing in it has 4K afaik and certainly not HDR. Plus I'm watching 7 seasons of DS9 atm, in 4:3 SD from the 90's... And my connection still occasionally strugles with that :(



Nem on 20 October 2017
jason1637 said:
Nem said:

Have you not heard about this or what?

Sure, you can not worry about the lootboxes and grind for hundreads of hours instead.

Of course! I love my ""choice" there.

 

I prefer not to buy it, than to subject myself to torture willingly. Thank you very much.

The first game you had to grind to many hours. Also it's not as bad as you make it out to be. Mordor is around 23 hours to beat the story and extras https://howlongtobeat.com/game.php?id=18006 .

Shadow of War is 35 hours to beat the game and extras. https://howlongtobeat.com/game.php?id=44022

You can play the game  without lootboxes and without hundreds of hours of grinding. 

Not if you want the true ending. Thats not true.

Honestly, just stop. It disgusts me to see people defend these trash companies on their BS.