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S.T.A.G.E. said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
You said dudebro MP shooters, that’s exactly what Uncharted MP is. Have you ever played it and actually talked to other people playing it?

Papa Phil said Sony has studios that are good at making single player games but said the fanbase for them is shrinking and they’re risky. Maybe you have a link to what you’re referencing? Sounds like an interesting read.

And yes, I’d say those games didn’t sell because of their quality. I loved Ryse but it was universally disliked. QB had tons of hype but didn’t live up to it and has next to no replay value. Sunset is a good game but very stylish and certainly not everyone’s cup of tea. The movement and humor in the game turned a lot of people I know away. And yeah, all of these games would have sold better on PS4. It has more units to sell to.

Yeah, when I say dude bro multiplayer, I mean like COD and Gears. Uncharted isn't a dude bro game and neither is Last of Us. Those games are well thought out with an almost (if not) Hollywood level of writing.

Phil Spencer said the fanbase for single player games is shrinking? LOL hardly. He's most likely speaking in general because he highlighted that Sony and Nintendo have succeeded in that region where they have failed. Microsoft seems to be following the EA template of making multiplayer games and games as a service.  Have you seen how much these single player games have made this year? Uncharted alone is a sign of the great possible sales one can achieve if made well.

Nintendo and Sonys core market isn't shrinking for single player games. They are stable. Micrososfts single player game sales last gen were clearly dependent on the gamers who jumped ship from the PS2 to the 360. That was the point I was trying to make to you earlier. Zelda is already past 4 million in sales and Horizon is almost if not already at 4 million. 

Uncharted MP is very dudebro. They even have the loot boxes and cosmetics and microtransactions now. Again, have you played it? Listened to the people who play it? Very dudebro. What does writing have to do with it? You originally said Xbox gamers are more drawn to "dudebro games with multiplayer". So what does SP writing have to do with multiplayer? You're shifting the goal posts. Either way it's irrelevant because like I said, the PS4 best sellers list is chock full of dudebro shooters.

Still waiting on your link to this Spencer discussion, interested in reading it. And yeah, you can point to big name franchises and mega hyped titles all day, it doesn't mean anything. So Zelda has hit 4 million.. what does this mean about most other SP titles?



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LudicrousSpeed said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Yeah, when I say dude bro multiplayer, I mean like COD and Gears. Uncharted isn't a dude bro game and neither is Last of Us. Those games are well thought out with an almost (if not) Hollywood level of writing.

Phil Spencer said the fanbase for single player games is shrinking? LOL hardly. He's most likely speaking in general because he highlighted that Sony and Nintendo have succeeded in that region where they have failed. Microsoft seems to be following the EA template of making multiplayer games and games as a service.  Have you seen how much these single player games have made this year? Uncharted alone is a sign of the great possible sales one can achieve if made well.

Nintendo and Sonys core market isn't shrinking for single player games. They are stable. Micrososfts single player game sales last gen were clearly dependent on the gamers who jumped ship from the PS2 to the 360. That was the point I was trying to make to you earlier. Zelda is already past 4 million in sales and Horizon is almost if not already at 4 million. 

Uncharted MP is very dudebro. They even have the loot boxes and cosmetics and microtransactions now. Again, have you played it? Listened to the people who play it? Very dudebro. What does writing have to do with it? You originally said Xbox gamers are more drawn to "dudebro games with multiplayer". So what does SP writing have to do with multiplayer? You're shifting the goal posts. Either way it's irrelevant because like I said, the PS4 best sellers list is chock full of dudebro shooters.

Still waiting on your link to this Spencer discussion, interested in reading it. And yeah, you can point to big name franchises and mega hyped titles all day, it doesn't mean anything. So Zelda has hit 4 million.. what does this mean about most other SP titles?

Yes, I said Xbox gamers are attracted more to dude bro multiplayer games than single player story driven titles. Even at the very core, single player AAA experiences are not being supported. Xbox wouldn't have half the problems it is today if gamers were not supporting games like Ryse, Quantum Break and Sunset Overdrive. Microsoft is saying the same things as EA because they are revealing the same data EA seems to be gathering from their console as a whole. I am not shifting any goal posts. I was expressing the disappointment that that the install base does not support single player AAA experiences as well as they should. Also, if Sony has a high selling platform, don't you think the dude bros are going to have to the popular platform? I was just saying that the Xbox is the type of brand that likes to make games people who love EA annualized titles would like to get. Gears and Halo are right up the dude bros alley. Last of Us has awesome manhunt style multiplayer, but do you think a dude bro is going to choose that over COD? LOL no. The dude bros are on it primarily for COD, Battlefield, Fifa, Madden, etc. I am happy that Spencer realizes that if he wants single player games to sell hes going to try to make a huge blockbuster next gen that will draw single player gamers over to the Xbox. Perhaps a huge, elaborate and critically acclaimed WRPG and another multiplayer Shooter. Those games will sell well on the Xbox. One thing that I will give core Xbox gamers is that they will buy a good WRPG. Microsofts WRPG DNA is lined with WRPG's from PC. That's probably why they a game similar to Horizon. Spencer has said himself hes wanted games like Uncharted, and after failures he saw fit to get the timed exclusivity of Tomb Raider to have a game to face off against Uncharted 4. 

 

Again....better luck next gen.

I've actually linked you to the Spencer discussion in the past where he spoke of Sony and Nintendos fanbase ability



S.T.A.G.E. said:

Yes, I said Xbox gamers are attracted more to dude bro multiplayer games than single player story driven titles.

And I said so are Playstation gamers. Sales charts proves me right. I mean, what you're describing is a large chunk of both fanbases. That's like saying Californians are more attracted to blockbuster super hero titles than westerns. I mean, duh, but who cares? The same thing applies to every other state. You're using it negatively to paint an entire fanbase. First, it's not a negative. If you want your risky single player titles, you need the more casual games to sell. Sony said recently only 4 out of 10 of their titles make money. I would imagine that's the case for Microsoft as well. It's no different than movies. And there's plenty of good SP content that exists on Xbox thanks to the sales of these more casual/monetized games.

Second, your argument falls flat because like I said, the same thing applies to the Playstation fanbase. Sure, you have pockets of people who love games like Gravity Rush or Infamous but the majority of the people buying games are buying the massively casual titles like CoD, Madden, Battlefield, Battlefront, FIFA, etc. lol, you do understand this is reality, yes?

S.T.A.G.E. said:
Even at the very core, single player AAA experiences are not being supported. Xbox wouldn't have half the problems it is today if gamers were not supporting games like Ryse, Quantum Break and Sunset Overdrive.

So gamers need to support flawed titles just because? Why should gamers have supported Ryse? Again, I love the title, but I can see why a majority hated it. Why should people support games just because they are single player titles? If they're not good, they don't deserve support. If they appeal to a limited amount of people, they don't deserve support. Quantum Break needed tighter controls, among other things. Sunset turned people away with its humor and gameplay. Not every SP game is going to sell as much as Uncharted or Zelda, lol.

S.T.A.G.E. said:
Microsoft is saying the same things as EA because they are revealing the same data EA seems to be gathering from their console as a whole.

Idk, if EA is saying something about the state of gaming then I'd pay more attention to that than anything you're saying. No offense intended, but I'm sure they have data that is more reliable than what you come up with. Idk about EA though, I'm only commented on the person you mentioned, Phil Spencer.

 

S.T.A.G.E. said:
I am not shifting any goal posts. I was expressing the disappointment that that the install base does not support single player AAA experiences as well as they should. Also, if Sony has a high selling platform, don't you think the dude bros are going to have to the popular platform? I was just saying that the Xbox is the type of brand that likes to make games people who love EA annualized titles would like to get.

EA titles like Battlefront, FIFA, Madden, Battlefield, among many other titles that sell much better on PS4? lol.

Again, why would you be disappointed that a lackluster or flawed SP game does not get supported well? Personally I don't have a problem with meh games netting meh sales. I have more of a problem when a mega hyped turd like The Order outsells more deserving SP titles :)

And what a dumb ass excuse for the sales of these "dudebro" games on PS4. "oh well its a high selling platform". What do you think got these types of gamers onto the 360 platform last gen? Sales. Being the popular platform. Now that is the PS4. Your excuses are only making my case for me.

 

S.T.A.G.E. said:
Gears and Halo are right up the dude bros alley. Last of Us has awesome manhunt style multiplayer, but do you think a dude bro is going to choose that over COD? LOL no. The dude bros are on it primarily for COD, Battlefield, Fifa, Madden, etc. I am happy that Spencer realizes that if he wants single player games to sell hes going to try to make a huge blockbuster next gen that will draw single player gamers over to the Xbox. Perhaps a huge, elaborate and critically acclaimed WRPG and another multiplayer Shooter. Those games will sell well on the Xbox. One thing that I will give core Xbox gamers is that they will buy a good WRPG. Microsofts WRPG DNA is lined with WRPG's from PC. That's probably why they a game similar to Horizon.

lol, why do you keep bringing up Last of Us? I didn't say anything about LoU MP being "dudebro". I said Uncharted, because it is. LoU actually appeals to people who used to love SOCOM. They're surprisingly similar. Also, if you don't consider games like Uncharted to be dudebro because they have well written SP sides, then you can remove Halo and Gears from your list of dudebro games.

A huge critically acclaimed WRPG would sell great on either console. See: Witcher 3. A complete dudebreh shootfest would sell great on either platform. See: Calls of Duty 2017. A yearly iteration of a sports franchise will sell great on either platform. See: FIFA. Niche, less appealing SP titles sell less on both platforms.

Also, what do you mean by a game "similar to Horizon"? Have you played Horizon? There already exists lots of games like Horizon, they're called Ubisoft open world titles.

 

S.T.A.G.E. said:
Spencer has said himself hes wanted games like Uncharted, and after failures he saw fit to get the timed exclusivity of Tomb Raider to have a game to face off against Uncharted 4. 

Jeez, how many threads are you going to insert that Spencer comment into? I literally think I've seen you use it 50 times already. Spencer said he wants a successful franchise like Uncharted, not literally an Uncharted clone type game. I mean, what exactly is surprising or wrong about that? Game execs want franchises that sell. Who cares.

 

S.T.A.G.E. said:
I've actually linked you to the Spencer discussion in the past where he spoke of Sony and Nintendos fanbase ability

So you got nothing, ok. If you ever find it, link it. I'd love to read :)



S.T.A.G.E. said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
You said dudebro MP shooters, that’s exactly what Uncharted MP is. Have you ever played it and actually talked to other people playing it?

Papa Phil said Sony has studios that are good at making single player games but said the fanbase for them is shrinking and they’re risky. Maybe you have a link to what you’re referencing? Sounds like an interesting read.

And yes, I’d say those games didn’t sell because of their quality. I loved Ryse but it was universally disliked. QB had tons of hype but didn’t live up to it and has next to no replay value. Sunset is a good game but very stylish and certainly not everyone’s cup of tea. The movement and humor in the game turned a lot of people I know away. And yeah, all of these games would have sold better on PS4. It has more units to sell to.

Yeah, when I say dude bro multiplayer, I mean like COD and Gears. Uncharted isn't a dude bro game and neither is Last of Us. Those games are well thought out with an almost (if not) Hollywood level of writing.

Phil Spencer said the fanbase for single player games is shrinking? LOL hardly. He's most likely speaking in general because he highlighted that Sony and Nintendo have succeeded in that region where they have failed. Microsoft seems to be following the EA template of making multiplayer games and games as a service.  Have you seen how much these single player games have made this year? Uncharted alone is a sign of the great possible sales one can achieve if made well.

Nintendo and Sonys core market isn't shrinking for single player games. They are stable. Micrososfts single player game sales last gen were clearly dependent on the gamers who jumped ship from the PS2 to the 360. That was the point I was trying to make to you earlier. Zelda is already past 4 million in sales and Horizon is almost if not already at 4 million. 

Not gonna get involved with the argument here, but I feel like Horizon must be well past 4mill by now, no? 2.6mill inside 2 weeks, and 3.4mill at the end of April (<2mo). Between a couple sales, the price drop, and being a high seller on Black Friday, I feel like it’s probably closer to 4.5-5mill. I think the GOTY edition came out today, so maybe more sales before end of year. 



S.T.A.G.E. said:
Puppyroach said:
I think they have a pretty healthy lineup of games but it would be amazing to see 10+ exclusive games each year, they have the resources to do it.

Ehhh... it's not healthy by traditional console standards. Microsoft has just created a culture of being primarily reliant on third party whether they know it or not. Traditionally third party only should serve on a marketing level to add to the excitement of their first party.

It's actually the complete opposite. Traditionally the lifeblood of a console is 3rd party support. 

You'll be hard pressed to find many successful consoles that are lacking strong 3rd party support, with the one anomaly being the Wii.

The stronger the 3rd party support, the more viable the platform.

 



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Technarchy said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Ehhh... it's not healthy by traditional console standards. Microsoft has just created a culture of being primarily reliant on third party whether they know it or not. Traditionally third party only should serve on a marketing level to add to the excitement of their first party.

It's actually the complete opposite. Traditionally the lifeblood of a console is 3rd party support. 

You'll be hard pressed to find many successful consoles that are lacking strong 3rd party support, with the one anomaly being the Wii.

The stronger the 3rd party support, the more viable the platform.

 

It's actually the combination of both. VR will play an additional roll in the future.



LudicrousSpeed said:

His post about "dude bro" shooters itself makes his whole post invalid lol.

Well anyway like I said people really need to read who is the Xbox exec.

Last edited by darkenergy - on 22 January 2018

Proud to be a Californian.

this was a weird quote from the Xbox Exec then and it still is weird to read. Obviously companies always want good PR but it's quiteeeeee a stretch to claim you have a strong holiday lineup when you have practically nothing launching outside of an acclaimed platformer also on PC/Steam (Cuphead). PUBG was a good snag but, again, it's not an exclusive unless you're cherrypicking and saying it's exclusive compared to the other home consoles

hopefully the Xbox brand goes hard in 2018 with the first party games. Spend some money Microsoft, I mean jesus you guys have billions in the bank yet you seem afraid to buy studios or even fund new ones on your own. I mean just the fact that they didn't bother to fight to purchase the Titanfall guys is bizarre. We'll see I guess 



Errorist76 said:
Technarchy said:

It's actually the complete opposite. Traditionally the lifeblood of a console is 3rd party support. 

You'll be hard pressed to find many successful consoles that are lacking strong 3rd party support, with the one anomaly being the Wii.

The stronger the 3rd party support, the more viable the platform.

 

It's actually the combination of both. VR will play an additional roll in the future.

VR has nowhere to go without more content, and consoles don't exactly have a sound history of mass adoption of expensive peripherals. Only 2% of PS4 owners have opted for VR, so it's got a ways to go to be a significant factor.



Technarchy said:
Errorist76 said:

It's actually the combination of both. VR will play an additional roll in the future.

VR has nowhere to go without more content, and consoles don't exactly have a sound history of mass adoption of expensive peripherals. Only 2% of PS4 owners have opted for VR, so it's got a ways to go to be a significant factor.

Sony is not mass marketing VR properly, but they are more than adequately arming it with titles. They tend not to force their peripherals upon people and this could hurt game sales. The eyetoy always turned profit but never gained worldwide popularity even though it had superior games over its multiple generations compared to the Kinect.. If Microsoft did it, it would go much further because as far as they've proven (to me) in their time of gaming is they know how to majorly market and develop a ui.  Of course, they rode off of the back of the Wii With the first Kinect, but the definitely swung for the fences.