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Mandalore76 on 19 October 2017
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Mandalore76 said:

On the contrary, I read your comment in full, and understood it fully.  You made a blanket statement that "Dragon Age is one of the most mismanaged franchises of all time" and then have been back-tracking from it little by little ever since.  "Well, I haven't actually played any DA game since Origins", "I'm just going by what other people said", "Well, I said probably only looked good in comparion to mediocre competition."  If anyone hasn't been doing themselves any favors, it's you.

Shadow of War hype wouldn't not have existed before the Loot Box reveal if Shadow of Mordor hadn't been well received.  A lot of people were excited for Shadow of War based on the success and enjoyment of it's predecessor and the Nemesis system.  The PS4 and XBox One versions have user scores of 8.1 and 8.0 respectively.

Not really. You're thinking too much into it. I just listed the franchises I could think of off the top of my head. There are probably better examples than Dragon Age. All the other franchises I talked about, I talked from experience. Except Dragon Age, where I went off what i've heard. It's not like i'm hiding my inexperience - or making some big deal about how Dragon Age was handled horribly. People simply questioned why I added that one entry to my list, and I told them directly why I did so. You don't have to get so worked up over it because you liked Inquisition. My position was never that DA was objectively the worst handled franchise ... you're just nitpicking too hard because you don't agree with it's inclusion. It's not my best example, but you don't have to be an ass about it either. I mean jesus, sorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry. Do you want a full apology written to Bioware? Seriously, you're thinking too much of it.

Also, you apparently didn't get the point I was making when I said you didn't read the comment. The point was, I said "probably", EXACTLY BECAUSE people like you annoyingly jump onto any sign of negativity towards a series you like. I'm not saying that I know for a fact it's terribly managed, I was saying at the time that it *probably* was based on what the fanbase has told me. Why can't you comprehend that? You're just attacking for no reason.

My point was never that Dragon Age was the most mismanaged franchise of all time either. Don't put words into my mouth. I responded to someone who said that Gran Turismo was, and I showed that there is clearly competition for that spot. I listed multiple franchises, not just Dragon Age, so clearly my position was never that it was the number one mismanaged franchise. Just that other franchises are also being horribly mishandled.

But hey, maybe the fact that so many fans defend the game to death shows that I was wrong and fans actually love the game to death!

Do you even understand the concept of overrated? Let me tell you how this works. I think Shadow of Morodor is overrated. Other people don't and love it. That's why it has a high metacritic score. Showing that it has a high metacritic score doesn't mean it isn't overrated. 

I don't know why you keep bringing up the sequel ... when I haven't said anything about it.

I never said you claimed it to be "the most mismanaged".  I was very clear to quote you as saying "one of".  Anyway, yes, I enjoyed Inquisition very much and thought that some of the moments in it were epic.  And, I know that you never mentioned Shadow of War.  The reason I brought it up was to say that no one would have been hyped for Shadow of War if the general consensus was that Shadow of Mordor wasn't a good game.  At the end of the day, I can only say agree to disagree.



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AngryLittleAlchemist on 19 October 2017
Mandalore76 said:

I never said you claimed it to be "the most mismanaged".  I was very clear to quote you as saying "one of".  Anyway, yes, I enjoyed Inquisition very much and thought that some of the moments in it were epic.  And, I know that you never mentioned Shadow of War.  The reason I brought it up was to say that no one would have been hyped for Shadow of War if the general consensus was that Shadow of Mordor wasn't a good game.  At the end of the day, I can only say agree to disagree.

I'm sorry if I came off a bit strong, but you have to understand how I look at it. When people create a string of quotes to show a logical issue in someone's argument, it's usually to make them look like an idiot, a moron. So when I saw your initial reply, I thought "Ugh, really?"

Quite frankily, I don't think my original comment was an issue of logic. My point was never that I personally thought Dragon Age was terribly mishandled, just that from what I heard it probably was. I was never confident in that prediction, which is why I wrote probably. So when you were taking a strong stance to show the logical issue in me mentioning that game, I was a tad confused as I stated from the beginning that I wasn't too confident in that prediction of mine. So showing logical issues just didn't make sense, it seemed like attacking for the sake of it. 

But yeah, if I wrote that comment today I would not have mentioned Dragon Age

Meh, that's like saying no one would have been hyped for any sequel if the original wasn't good. Do you never encounter hype that you think is not worth it?

Ok, that's fine. I'm glad we can come to that conclusion



SvennoJ on 19 October 2017
zero129 said:
SvennoJ said:

Why would the internet go out in a bad storm? It's safely wired in the ground. The power however does go out, or cycles resetting everything...

Always online is shit, and I've had a bunch of 'can't save data' warnings already with my spotty wifi. No progress lost though, as long as it has a succesful save before you turn it off nothing is lost.  Thank the hackers, just google GT6 save game editor :/

I think you answered your own question.

It seemed you were suggesting you could keep playing offline, but GT Sport is not on the Switch :p

That was fucking brilliant though, power outage while playing BotW, no problem, continue in handheld mode :)
Unlinke when I was playing a ps4 game through remote play on my laptop, laptop stayed on, wifi, ps4, not so much. And yeah when I was playing Elite Dangerous, my laptop kept running, connection lost to server, bye bye. 2017 and thunderstorms still regularly take out the power :/



LudicrousSpeed on 19 October 2017
DonFerrari said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Well I don't think there's any question about it, PD, in terms of productivity, has been God awful dating back post GT3 imho. They've just built up a big enough franchise that it hasn't really mattered. Same with CoD and Activision.

It's very disappointing that Sony killed a studio like Evolution, but let's PD do whatever they want basically.

 

edit, this was a reply to Azz, mobile sucks.

So you are unhappy that they left a dev that can make consistent 10M sellers alive while closing one that struggled to do 2M?

And let's see... GTS 4 years to develop with a team of 110-150 depending on the looking time... FM7 (third forza on the gen) taking 2 years with over 300 people on the team. What productivity are you exactly measuring?

Unhappy is a pretty strong word, but as a consumer, why the fuck do I care about what sells? My most played game of last year was Battleborn, which flopped. My most played game of 2017 is Dead by Daylight, a $30 small budget title. Also, sales are not always relevant to quality, or profits. Do you know that a game made by Evolution that "struggles to 2M" loses Sony a lot of money? Please share. They made Motorstorm, a great franchise. You know what would be better than a glorified GT Prologue at $60? A PS4 Motorstorm. And please, spare me the talk about money. Remember, this is good guy Sony, #4theplayers, they profit on only 3-4 out of every 10 games according to Yoshida.

Can you also source where Turn 10 has over 300 employees? Not saying you're wrong, just curious. Also, in regards to the bolded, I'm measuring PD's productivity. You can try to deflect with shots at Forza, that doesn't change the fact that it took PD four years to release half a game. And, to be honest, it's not even just the amount of content that is baffling, it's what they focus on. Making car porn instead of a fully featured Gran Turismo title. Feel free to disagree. Yeah, the franchise has always been car porn, with detailed history of cars and manufacturers in pretty much every game, and amazing looking replays. But it used to have this in addition to a deep single player offering, and no limits multiplayer, now that's gone, in the chase of esports nonsense lol.



LudicrousSpeed on 19 October 2017
DonFerrari said:

I bet neither Ludicrous nor Azzanation evaluate FH against FM (unless on the times they have the balls to say FH is a simulator almost the same way FM is).



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DonFerrari on 19 October 2017
LudicrousSpeed said:
DonFerrari said:

So you are unhappy that they left a dev that can make consistent 10M sellers alive while closing one that struggled to do 2M?

And let's see... GTS 4 years to develop with a team of 110-150 depending on the looking time... FM7 (third forza on the gen) taking 2 years with over 300 people on the team. What productivity are you exactly measuring?

Unhappy is a pretty strong word, but as a consumer, why the fuck do I care about what sells? My most played game of last year was Battleborn, which flopped. My most played game of 2017 is Dead by Daylight, a $30 small budget title. Also, sales are not always relevant to quality, or profits. Do you know that a game made by Evolution that "struggles to 2M" loses Sony a lot of money? Please share. They made Motorstorm, a great franchise. You know what would be better than a glorified GT Prologue at $60? A PS4 Motorstorm. And please, spare me the talk about money. Remember, this is good guy Sony, #4theplayers, they profit on only 3-4 out of every 10 games according to Yoshida.

Can you also source where Turn 10 has over 300 employees? Not saying you're wrong, just curious. Also, in regards to the bolded, I'm measuring PD's productivity. You can try to deflect with shots at Forza, that doesn't change the fact that it took PD four years to release half a game. And, to be honest, it's not even just the amount of content that is baffling, it's what they focus on. Making car porn instead of a fully featured Gran Turismo title. Feel free to disagree. Yeah, the franchise has always been car porn, with detailed history of cars and manufacturers in pretty much every game, and amazing looking replays. But it used to have this in addition to a deep single player offering, and no limits multiplayer, now that's gone, in the chase of esports nonsense lol.

The excuse to cut or keep a developer is the money it brings in, so as customer you may not care, but why wouldn't a company?

Just look their wikipedia.

Yes if this was GT7 we could discuss that all the take outs would be relevant, but again this  isn't GT7, this is GTS. I would rather have GT7 than GTS, but that isn't a reson for me to give a bad score to GTS.

I'm not deflecting by taking shot at Forza. I'm comparing two similar games, one studio that is between 2 to 3 times the size of the other and that output twice as fast. To me it seems quite similar productivity. You were the ones taking shots at a studio, not me.

RolStoppable said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

DonFerrari is killing it today.

On a spree Rol.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

LudicrousSpeed on 19 October 2017

The same Wikipedia that says PD has 300 employees?

You need to word whatever you were saying about Horizon better if you want a response.



DonFerrari on 19 October 2017
LudicrousSpeed said:
The same Wikipedia that says PD has 300 employees?

You need to word whatever you were saying about Horizon better if you want a response.

last I checked put it on 110-150 (also an interview from Yamauchi).

Response about Horizon?

One fast source for you to start

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/polyphony-digital-has-onethird-the-staff-of-turn-1-27356279/



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

LudicrousSpeed on 19 October 2017

Your source is literally a fanboy post in the Console Wars section of a message board. You cited Wiki for Turn10, that same source says 300 for PD. I'm not saying either are wrong or right, but LOL.



Chris Hu on 19 October 2017
DonFerrari said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
The same Wikipedia that says PD has 300 employees?

You need to word whatever you were saying about Horizon better if you want a response.

last I checked put it on 110-150 (also an interview from Yamauchi).

Response about Horizon?

One fast source for you to start

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/polyphony-digital-has-onethird-the-staff-of-turn-1-27356279/

Yeah that is source super old and inacurate the only time close to 300 people worked on a Forza Motorsports game was Forza Motorsports 4 and that includes the people that did some of the outsourced work for the cars in that game.  Wikipedia has Turn 10 at 101 to 300 employees currently but I'm sure the number is actually closer to 101 then 300 and not all of them work on the game I'm petty sure a good chunck of them work on marketing the game and running forzamotorsports.net.