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Soundwave on 13 October 2017
StarOcean said:
Soundwave said:

It's unlikely Trump will win again IMO. 

Hard right and hard left voters don't decide elections, it's the middle that does, the middle doesn't care about extreme left/right politics from the supreme court.  Trump won the election by a razor thin margin of 70,000 votes from Michigan, Pennslyvania, and Wisconsin, three states that are generally blue. 

IMO he won't hold any of those states next time, Democrats will focus hard on the midwest blue strongholds unlike Clinton who took them for granted. Also I think the African American vote was down, which explains a lot of Clinton's losses, but Trump in antagonizing the African American community especially with the NFL and Charlotteville thing is going to find a lot of anger. 

Those 70,000 votes flip or those people stay home and Trump is fucked. Beyond that I think a lot of moderate/non-party alligned voters were willing to give him a shot last time as a novelty of a non-politican, but that's going to gone by next election, when you are president for 4 years, you are a politican (and likely one people are starting to get sick of hearing about every day) whether you like it or not. 

There was a reason the African American vote was down: https://arcdigital.media/i-watched-over-100-covert-russian-propaganda-videos-on-youtube-heres-what-i-saw-b854b69762f2

A former federal lawyer, Renato Mariotti, linked this article. Basically saying ads and vids online were discouraging AA people from voting

In either case, I don't think the AA vote will stay down. People are pissed off and they will come out and there will be greater organization next time in ensuring that. Especially in Michigan and Pennslyvania and Wisconsin. It takes a very small amount of voters for all three to turn back blue. Beyond that though I don't think Trump will have the same enthusiasm, his numbers even with Republicans are already taking a slide. He needs to hold basically every single vote from the last election, I don't see it happening. He has his core supporters, but he didn't win off that. He benefitted from the novelty vote and a less motivated AA voter block. 



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robzo100 on 13 October 2017

In my honest opinion this just means they get along well

Yes, honestly (Trump/Conservative Supporter)



Ruler on 14 October 2017
StarOcean said:
Soundwave said:

It's unlikely Trump will win again IMO. 

Hard right and hard left voters don't decide elections, it's the middle that does, the middle doesn't care about extreme left/right politics from the supreme court.  Trump won the election by a razor thin margin of 70,000 votes from Michigan, Pennslyvania, and Wisconsin, three states that are generally blue. 

IMO he won't hold any of those states next time, Democrats will focus hard on the midwest blue strongholds unlike Clinton who took them for granted. Also I think the African American vote was down, which explains a lot of Clinton's losses, but Trump in antagonizing the African American community especially with the NFL and Charlotteville thing is going to find a lot of anger. 

Those 70,000 votes flip or those people stay home and Trump is fucked. Beyond that I think a lot of moderate/non-party alligned voters were willing to give him a shot last time as a novelty of a non-politican, but that's going to gone by next election, when you are president for 4 years, you are a politican (and likely one people are starting to get sick of hearing about every day) whether you like it or not. 

There was a reason the African American vote was down: https://arcdigital.media/i-watched-over-100-covert-russian-propaganda-videos-on-youtube-heres-what-i-saw-b854b69762f2

A former federal lawyer, Renato Mariotti, linked this article. Basically saying ads and vids online were discouraging AA people from voting

Your country sounds like a banana republic if this is what it takes to influence the outcome your election even if true.



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gcwy on 14 October 2017

Agreed.



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Dulfite on 14 October 2017
StarOcean said:
Dulfite said:
Trump wasn't elected because of his intelligence or even because of what his actualy beliefs are. He was elected because of three reasons:

1. Millions less democrats voted in the election for Hillary compared to Obama. Republican numbers were about the same as turned out for Mitt Romney. Likely due to all of her connections to Banghazi, the email leaks, and all of those weird suicides of people that were gonna testify against her.

2. Drain the Swamp. Even if it is an idiot doing it, many Americans would rather have an idiot in charge than yet another career politician.

3. Many Republicans that hated Trump still ended up voting for him simply because he pledged to nominate conservatives on the bench with a incredibly popular and publically displayed list. If he, in a couple years, mentions how another 4 years in office will increase the likelyhood he can get another 1-2 justices on the bench, he will likely win again (unless the democrats have another minority group run against him). He may not even personally be against abortion, or may in reality be against religious freedom for business owners, but as long as he does things to fight abortion and protect people's religious freedoms, then people will aboslutely continue to vote for him. The man's actions speak a lot more to his value (from a conservative point of view) than anything his stupid twitter account says.

You summed up how he could win a second term w/ 1 sentence: 

" If he, in a couple years, mentions how another 4 years in office will increase the likelyhood he can get another 1-2 justices on the bench, he will likely win again (unless the democrats have another minority group run against him)". 

They'll vote him in if they can slowly make the US permanetly lean right. 2-3 are likely to leave very soon. So that guarantee will be his ticket

Absolutely. Ginsburg, Breyer, and Kennedy are all 79-84 years old, and Kennedy has had more rumors about his pending retirement than there are about Brangelina. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump gets another 1-2 justices in his first term, let alone his second term. Nothing gets conservatives more riled up and excited than the prospect of getting pro lifers on the bench (myself included). I would love to be able live in an era where the killing of the innocents is a thing of the past (legally speaking. I fully know people will still try and succeed in doing it, but illegally and in way less quantity).



Dulfite on 14 October 2017
poroporo said:
Dulfite said:
2. Drain the Swamp. Even if it is an idiot doing it, many Americans would rather have an idiot in charge than yet another career politician.

It doesn't work like in the movies though.

lol no cause in the movies and shows the winners and "good guys" are always democrats because hollywood is full of liberals. Swingvote was the only one I can think of that actually had a Republican president that wasn't portrayed as a total moron compared to the other guy (they were both, equally, portrayed as morons). 



Dulfite on 14 October 2017
Soundwave said:
StarOcean said:

You summed up how he could win a second term w/ 1 sentence: 

" If he, in a couple years, mentions how another 4 years in office will increase the likelyhood he can get another 1-2 justices on the bench, he will likely win again (unless the democrats have another minority group run against him)". 

They'll vote him in if they can slowly make the US permanetly lean right. 2-3 are likely to leave very soon. So that guarantee will be his ticket

It's unlikely Trump will win again IMO. 

Hard right and hard left voters don't decide elections, it's the middle that does, the middle doesn't care about extreme left/right politics from the supreme court.  Trump won the election by a razor thin margin of 70,000 votes from Michigan, Pennslyvania, and Wisconsin, three states that are generally blue. 

IMO he won't hold any of those states next time, Democrats will focus hard on the midwest blue strongholds unlike Clinton who took them for granted. Also I think the African American vote was down, which explains a lot of Clinton's losses, but Trump in antagonizing the African American community especially with the NFL and Charlotteville thing is going to find a lot of anger and I think there will be higher AA voting rates in Pennslyvania and Michigan especially. 

Those 70,000 votes flip or those people stay home and Trump is fucked. Beyond that I think a lot of moderate/non-party alligned voters were willing to give him a shot last time as a novelty of a non-politican, but that's going to gone by next election, when you are president for 4 years, you are a politican (and likely one people are starting to get sick of hearing about every day) whether you like it or not. 

Ok, where to begin. Not gonna argue, just gonna state my opinions which could be totally wrong, but I'll state them anyway. In short, I disagree.

While your right about extremists not being the deciding factor, it isn't always the moderates that decide elections. A lot of it has to do with voter turnout. If people are unmotivated by a candidate (as many weren't by Clinton due to all the scandals and laws she broke), then they won't vote in numbers. Also, when Obama won like 95+5 of the black vote, you could just tell that many voted for him simply because he was black. All of a sudden the black votes drop tremendously because you've got an old white person running no matter who you vote for (Trump/Clinton/Bernie/Johnson).

Trump has been fighting for jobs and with a lot of success. I believe I read recently that jobs have been going up a good amount and the overall value of the economy has gone up over  $5-6 trillion since he took office (value, not talking about anything else). I think workers will vote for him if they get jobs because of his initiatives in keeping companies in America. I also think the rust belt will vote for him again because Trump is focusing more on helping the middle working class and not the poor (whereas Obama often screwed the working class with Obama care in favor of the poor).



TH3-D0S3R on 14 October 2017
Dulfite said:
Soundwave said:

It's unlikely Trump will win again IMO. 

Hard right and hard left voters don't decide elections, it's the middle that does, the middle doesn't care about extreme left/right politics from the supreme court.  Trump won the election by a razor thin margin of 70,000 votes from Michigan, Pennslyvania, and Wisconsin, three states that are generally blue. 

IMO he won't hold any of those states next time, Democrats will focus hard on the midwest blue strongholds unlike Clinton who took them for granted. Also I think the African American vote was down, which explains a lot of Clinton's losses, but Trump in antagonizing the African American community especially with the NFL and Charlotteville thing is going to find a lot of anger and I think there will be higher AA voting rates in Pennslyvania and Michigan especially. 

Those 70,000 votes flip or those people stay home and Trump is fucked. Beyond that I think a lot of moderate/non-party alligned voters were willing to give him a shot last time as a novelty of a non-politican, but that's going to gone by next election, when you are president for 4 years, you are a politican (and likely one people are starting to get sick of hearing about every day) whether you like it or not. 

Ok, where to begin. Not gonna argue, just gonna state my opinions which could be totally wrong, but I'll state them anyway. In short, I disagree.

While your right about extremists not being the deciding factor, it isn't always the moderates that decide elections. A lot of it has to do with voter turnout. If people are unmotivated by a candidate (as many weren't by Clinton due to all the scandals and laws she broke), then they won't vote in numbers. Also, when Obama won like 95+5 of the black vote, you could just tell that many voted for him simply because he was black. All of a sudden the black votes drop tremendously because you've got an old white person running no matter who you vote for (Trump/Clinton/Bernie/Johnson).

Trump has been fighting for jobs and with a lot of success. I believe I read recently that jobs have been going up a good amount and the overall value of the economy has gone up over  $5-6 trillion since he took office (value, not talking about anything else). I think workers will vote for him if they get jobs because of his initiatives in keeping companies in America. I also think the rust belt will vote for him again because Trump is focusing more on helping the middle working class and not the poor (whereas Obama often screwed the working class with Obama care in favor of the poor).

This statement right here.

America is in a gridlock. The Rust Belt is the main area that I can see currently undergoing a transition. Democrats have transitioned their focus from the working man to the city occupants, and while I think this would be a good move 20 years from now, they did it a tad early and policy wise will drastically affect them for years to come. Not every state is Cali or the Northeast Coast, so preaching message you may give to people in California will not appeal factory workers in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin.

If Trump gets more jobs in these states and gets the tax cuts he desires, I cannot see him losing in 2020.



Dulfite on 14 October 2017
TH3-D0S3R said:
Dulfite said:

Ok, where to begin. Not gonna argue, just gonna state my opinions which could be totally wrong, but I'll state them anyway. In short, I disagree.

While your right about extremists not being the deciding factor, it isn't always the moderates that decide elections. A lot of it has to do with voter turnout. If people are unmotivated by a candidate (as many weren't by Clinton due to all the scandals and laws she broke), then they won't vote in numbers. Also, when Obama won like 95+5 of the black vote, you could just tell that many voted for him simply because he was black. All of a sudden the black votes drop tremendously because you've got an old white person running no matter who you vote for (Trump/Clinton/Bernie/Johnson).

Trump has been fighting for jobs and with a lot of success. I believe I read recently that jobs have been going up a good amount and the overall value of the economy has gone up over  $5-6 trillion since he took office (value, not talking about anything else). I think workers will vote for him if they get jobs because of his initiatives in keeping companies in America. I also think the rust belt will vote for him again because Trump is focusing more on helping the middle working class and not the poor (whereas Obama often screwed the working class with Obama care in favor of the poor).

This statement right here.

America is in a gridlock. The Rust Belt is the main area that I can see currently undergoing a transition. Democrats have transitioned their focus from the working man to the city occupants, and while I think this would be a good move 20 years from now, they did it a tad early and policy wise will drastically affect them for years to come. Not every state is Cali or the Northeast Coast, so preaching message you may give to people in California will not appeal factory workers in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin.

If Trump gets more jobs in these states and gets the tax cuts he desires, I cannot see him losing in 2020.

Agreed mostly. Though I certainly hope 20 years from now it doesn't go that way, because that means we would have to have a significantly larger lower class and smaller middle class than we do now.