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What do you prefer?

Framerate 139 62.05%
 
Resolution 48 21.43%
 
Other 37 16.52%
 
Total:224
CrazyGamer2017 said:
sethnintendo said:

You should have been here commenting on the Wii back in 2006.  You could have pretty much kept most of the same response.

 

Well, while the Wii processing power was no world record at the time, the difference between the Wii and the other systems was smaller than things are today so I could have made that comment back then but it would have been on the edge of irrelevancy, so much so that most people haven't even bothered trying to defend the Switch as a home system but have been insisting it's a handheld cause even they must admit that as a home system it's egregiously behind the others.

I was mainly referencing the statement about not being able to support current TVs that just came to market recently.  The Wii only had component cables and I believe stuck at 480p just like the GC.  Flat panel TVs were still not mass market at the time of launch but once prices dropped they were mass market around the middle or towards the end of the generation.  I believe I didn't get my first flat panel TV till about 2009 or so. 

Basically, you are insulting the Switch's inability to go past 1080p and that they aren't taking advantage of the current generation of TVs that have higher definition outputs.  The situations seems very similar considering ultra high def TVs aren't even close to having a majority share yet.  If I would take a guess that won't happen for another 2-3 years.



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CrazyGamer2017 said:
RaptorChrist said:

Quit acting so naive. It's clear after reading through this thread that you have no interest in having a legitimate debate, as you keep asking questions that you already know the answer to (although you would never admit it).

And another thing: framerate is not correlated to hardware power. Did you know that the Gameboy could output at 60 FPS? The reason why many games run at 30 FPS or worse is because some developers would rather sacrifice performance for better visuals.

You also have this fascination with trying to get away with calling the Switch underpowered. Didn't the Switch launch with one of the most powerful mobile processors on the market? The points you are trying to make are so... pointless. What do you have to gain from calling the Switch underpowered? Come on, man, it makes you look desperate.

First I was answering someone's post. Second quit assuming my intentions. Third learn to live with other people's opinions cause reacting all hurt makes you pass off for a fanboy rather than someone who wants to exchange ideas. Fourth a legitimate debate is BY DEFINITION one where people exchange DIFFERENT or OPPOSED opinions, but maybe to you a debate is one where people agree all the time... And fifth what questions am I asking, what are you talking about? My first post in this thread was about all 3 systems and what seemed in my opinion to be their weakness, it's not my fault if only Nintendo gamers reacted to my opinion but that's fine as long as it is not fanboys and I don't wish to call you that but you are getting really close to living up to the name, man.

Do you feel so insecure about your prefered system that you need to lash out like that?

Cheers mate.

Ugh, disgusting. I bet you typed that with one hand.



curl-6 said:
CrazyGamer2017 said:
The Switch is way too under powered which as the latest 2017 system out there should have no excuse for its lack of performance.

It's a handheld. That's not an excuse, it's simply a fact that it's not viable to squeeze PS4 levels of power into such a small case with today's technology.

Also impossible to achieve a ps4 level portable without it overheating, having an acceptable battery life and being affordable to the mass market. Maybe in 5 years but impossible in 2017.



sethnintendo said:
CrazyGamer2017 said:

 

Well, while the Wii processing power was no world record at the time, the difference between the Wii and the other systems was smaller than things are today so I could have made that comment back then but it would have been on the edge of irrelevancy, so much so that most people haven't even bothered trying to defend the Switch as a home system but have been insisting it's a handheld cause even they must admit that as a home system it's egregiously behind the others.

I was mainly referencing the statement about not being able to support current TVs that just came to market recently.  The Wii only had component cables and I believe stuck at 480p just like the GC.  Flat panel TVs were still not mass market at the time of launch but once prices dropped they were mass market around the middle or towards the end of the generation.  I believe I didn't get my first flat panel TV till about 2009 or so. 

Basically, you are insulting the Switch's inability to go past 1080p and that they aren't taking advantage of the current generation of TVs that have higher definition outputs.  The situations seems very similar considering ultra high def TVs aren't even close to having a majority share yet.  If I would take a guess that won't happen for another 2-3 years.

Guilty as charged.

I've also in the past insulted the PS4 Pro (which I own) for not having a UHD Bluray Player which is ridiculous considering Sony is one of the heads behind the Bluray, I recently (elsewhere) insulted the fact it does not have an SSD drive which would allow it to react faster, I've occasionally insulted the Xbox for their lack of games capable of competing with the PS4's and on occasion I have insulted PC gaming for different reasons that would go way off topic here to mention.

But of course reasonable non frustrated people saw in the word "insult" its actual meaning which is "debate" "give an opinion" "analyze" etc...

So I'm sorry if a few feel the need to act fanboyish and tribal as if criticism of commercial hardware was a personal attack on their honor or something but, and to make things perfectly clear, I will not give up my right to have an opinion and to criticize where criticism is needed.

And people are free to either see it as an opinion they may or may not agree with or an insult which is going to hurt personally. I don't mean the latter but if that's how some feel, I am most definitely NOT sorry.

Hope to see you among the reasonable ones, mate.



Metroid33slayer said:
curl-6 said:

It's a handheld. That's not an excuse, it's simply a fact that it's not viable to squeeze PS4 levels of power into such a small case with today's technology.

Also impossible to achieve a ps4 level portable without it overheating, having an acceptable battery life and being affordable to the mass market. Maybe in 5 years but impossible in 2017.

Yes but I have considered the Switch as a home system as it tries to be that too. For clarity's sake, as a portable it's a decent system that does the job (except for the short lived battery though).

But as a home system, or the only home system Nintendo is offering right now, I hold it to home system standards because If I decided to buy it, it's as a home system that I would use it.

In my opinion, Nintendo should have added extra processing power in the dock thing so that you can have extra power when playing it on your television.



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Qwark said:

30fps isn't the end of the world and more than a few of the best PS4 games are 30fps so it's really not that big of a deal. Bloodborne and Dark souls 3 are great and 30fps. The Witcher 3 is great and 30fps, R&C is great and 30fps, Uncharted SP and Horizon are great at 30fps. Although it is nice that Uncharted mp is 60fps. Not every game necessarily needs 60fps, although some like wipeout and nioh do.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

 

Ok, Qwark look man, i'm really.... REAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLy not trying to be a dick hear. But damn, you chose some of the worst examples! Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3 both have very inconsistent framerates, ESPECIALLY bloodborne and they feel somewhat inferior at 30fps. The Witcher 3 felt boring and sluggisht at 30fps. even Horizon would feel much better at 60fps. I guess I agree with Uncharted though



It's funny. The question I've been asking myself after getting a switch is "What am I willing to sacrifice to have every console have a portable option".



CrazyGamer2017 said:

Guilty as charged.

I've also in the past insulted the PS4 Pro (which I own) for not having a UHD Bluray Player which is ridiculous considering Sony is one of the heads behind the Bluray, I recently (elsewhere) insulted the fact it does not have an SSD drive which would allow it to react faster, I've occasionally insulted the Xbox for their lack of games capable of competing with the PS4's and on occasion I have insulted PC gaming for different reasons that would go way off topic here to mention.

But of course reasonable non frustrated people saw in the word "insult" its actual meaning which is "debate" "give an opinion" "analyze" etc...

So I'm sorry if a few feel the need to act fanboyish and tribal as if criticism of commercial hardware was a personal attack on their honor or something but, and to make things perfectly clear, I will not give up my right to have an opinion and to criticize where criticism is needed.

And people are free to either see it as an opinion they may or may not agree with or an insult which is going to hurt personally. I don't mean the latter but if that's how some feel, I am most definitely NOT sorry.

Hope to see you among the reasonable ones, mate.

Yea perhaps I should have used another word besides insult.  My main point was that the Wii only outputting to 480p while 720 and 1080 TVs existed didn't affect Wii sales, and I don't believe the Switch not being able to go past 1080p is going to affect its sales.

You have every right as a consumer to be upset with a product if it doesn't meet your desired specs/offerings.  I just believe that you are in the minority on people being upset about not going past 1080p.  Eventually you will be the majority but not yet.



sethnintendo said:

Yea perhaps I should have used another word besides insult.  My main point was that the Wii only outputting to 480p while 720 and 1080 TVs existed didn't affect Wii sales, and I don't believe the Switch not being able to go past 1080p is going to affect its sales.

You have every right as a consumer to be upset with a product if it doesn't meet your desired specs/offerings.  I just believe that you are in the minority on people being upset about not going past 1080p.  Eventually you will be the majority but not yet.

Thank you, and I'm sorry if I came down a litte hard on you, it's just that I had a couple of people before in the thread that were not very impartial on the issue and not very, let's say courteous with my opinion.

Glad we can go back to debating opinions and issues...

So yes, I remember how the Wii output 480p, I had that system and I played Metroid Prime on it. As for sales, the Switch is doing very well so it definitely is not affected in sales by the things I have described.

But my worry is that this may be sending the wrong message to Nintendo, why would they even consider trying to race for more power or at least for a dedicated home system with more power when sales indicate otherwise? I know that power isn't everything, clearly, but wouldn't it be nice if we had a Zelda BOTW running at 1080p or higher with 60fps, the latest in anti-aliasing, effects everywhere you look, huge depths of field and so on and so forth? I got this same issue with other systems, not just Nintendo and even if the Pro and the X are a leap forward I still got a few concerns regarding those systems, not mentioning other issues (like the lack of an UHD Bluray Player on the Pro). So I'm not just getting on the case of Nintendo, it's just that a bunch of people here have called me on what I said about Nintendo which makes it look like I'm some kind of Nintendo hater, but I'm not. I actually got the New 3DS XL, the Majora's Mask collector edition and I was hoping to get a dedicated home system to go along with it, which I did not get.

And again, all I say is simply my opinion folks, It can be criticism but I only mean it to be constructive criticism

 



Some are willing to sacrifice their mothers... I don't really care about 60fps, so I preffer IQ.



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