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Forums - Politics Discussion - In California, it is no longer a felony to knowingly infect someone with HIV

Goodnightmoon on 08 October 2017
Ka-pi96 said:
John2290 said:

How is that a good thing? Canada is more Muslim now than most of the middle east.

Most of the middle east is like 90%+ muslim, with the sole exception being israel. So how much of Canada is muslim exactly?

3.2%

The whole country for the usual irrational conservative minded



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Netyaroze on 08 October 2017

Well I think its for the HIV patients that have after treatment an undetectable amount of the Virus in their blood. They are unable to infect others with the virus. If you spread it intentionally and (meaning you do not get treated) Its still illegal.



LurkerJ on 08 October 2017
John2290 said:
monocle_layton said:

Come to Minnesota then. We're basically Canada 2.0 :p

How is that a good thing? Canada is more Muslim now than most of the middle east.

You're probably thinking of Europe



monocle_layton on 08 October 2017
John2290 said:
monocle_layton said:

Come to Minnesota then. We're basically Canada 2.0 :p

How is that a good thing? Canada is more Muslim now than most of the middle east.

 

Ka-pi96 said:
John2290 said:

How is that a good thing? Canada is more Muslim now than most of the middle east.

Most of the middle east is like 90%+ muslim, with the sole exception being israel. So how much of Canada is muslim exactly?

Buh Paul Joseph watson said Muzleems are bringin Shariah law over!!!!11!!!!one!!

 

Fucking paranoia-filled if you ask me. Minnesota has managed quite fine with the second largest population of Somalis in the world. But no, I'm actually suffering and must defend myselves from the so-called savages



Goodnightmoon on 08 October 2017
monocle_layton said:
John2290 said:

How is that a good thing? Canada is more Muslim now than most of the middle east.

 

Ka-pi96 said:

Most of the middle east is like 90%+ muslim, with the sole exception being israel. So how much of Canada is muslim exactly?

Buh Paul Joseph watson said Muzleems are bringin Shariah law over!!!!11!!!!one!!

 

Fucking paranoia-filled if you ask me. Minnesota has managed quite fine with the second largest population of Somalis in the world. But no, I'm actually suffering and must defend myselves from the so-called savages

That's one of the most stupid youtubers I have ever seen in my life, how can that guy have so many suscribers is beyond me



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monocle_layton on 08 October 2017
Goodnightmoon said:
monocle_layton said:

 

Buh Paul Joseph watson said Muzleems are bringin Shariah law over!!!!11!!!!one!!

 

Fucking paranoia-filled if you ask me. Minnesota has managed quite fine with the second largest population of Somalis in the world. But no, I'm actually suffering and must defend myselves from the so-called savages

That's one of the most stupid youtubers I have ever seen in my life, how can that guy have so many suscribers is beyond me

Because people are retards who can't tell the difference between bad people and bad policies.

 

Muslims aren't evil people who will magically take over a country. We have a ridiculous amount of Somali and Arab Muslims, and yet we're actually one of the happiest, kindest, and safest states in the country. We're also one of the highest developed ones as well.

 

I'll let them ramble on whatever bullshit they want while I go to the Somali and Arab stores. Honestly, they can go about screaming their 'I'm not bigoted - I'm just informed!' shit and shove it up their ass. I don't have time to constantly deal with it, and no one else should.



fatslob-:O on 08 October 2017
Ka-pi96 said:

Yet less ironically a cut in healthcare makes this worse since then less people will be able to afford the drugs they need to survive with HIV

Yet progressives wonder why republicans don't subsidize healthcare when preventable conditions such as this persist across all medical related expenditures ... 

I hope California are happy with their new Charlie Sheen Law ...  

I can't even believe the people in this thread trying to justify, excuse or deflect from the issue. Who are those very same people to be questioning if Trump is empathetic when they blind eye to a threat against the entire human race ?!



SuaveSocialist on 08 October 2017

Knowingly spreading any incurable disease should be considered a crime, especially if the country has as terrible a health care system as West Korea.



haxxiy on 08 October 2017
DraconianAC said:

People need to calm the fawk down. Most of you don't even live in California like I do. I'm cool with it. If your not overly promiscuous, you will be fine, and blood banks can easily test for the virus.

Here you go over reacting blaming babies: https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/health-topics/topics/bt/risks

Here is the quote:
"Viruses and Infectious Diseases

Some infectious agents, such as HIV, can survive in blood and infect the person receiving the blood transfusion. To keep blood safe, blood banks carefully screen donated blood.

The risk of catching a virus from a blood transfusion is very low.

HIV. Your risk of getting HIV from a blood transfusion is lower than your risk of getting killed by lightning. Only about 1 in 2 million donations might carry HIV and transmit HIV if given to a patient.
Hepatitis B and C. The risk of having a donation that carries hepatitis B is about 1 in 205,000. The risk for hepatitis C is 1 in 2 million. If you receive blood during a transfusion that contains hepatitis, you'll likely develop the virus.
Variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD). This disease is the human version of Mad Cow Disease. It's a very rare, yet fatal brain disorder. There is a possible risk of getting vCJD from a blood transfusion, although the risk is very low. Because of this, people who may have been exposed to vCJD aren't eligible blood donors."

Wear a condom or two if you're going to have sex with someone you don't know, and even then you're still not 100% protected to something far more shaming than HIV/AIDS--Herpes. I bet most of you don't even get regularly laid, or have multiple partners withing a given year.

Such babies...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15660015

http://annals.org/aim/article/718529/screening-hiv-review-evidence-u-s-preventive-services-task-force

The risk of getting HIV from a blood transfusion with HIV-infected blood is 90%. The testing is extremely accurate, yes - but an accuracy of over 99% might mean a lot is still leaking through the cracks when the sample baloons into the thousands or millions. Even if the blood is properly screened the chance is 0.27%, since there is a false negative chance of 0.03, which may seem low, but it is about the same as having unprotected sex with someone with HIV. Of course the overall risk will be significantly lower, since the pool of donors will include mostly healthy people. That means there won't be someone who will end up drawing the shortest straw after as little as every 300 people who donate with HIV.

Next time at least try to quote from scientific articles instead of badly written public web pages without a single proper reference before calling people "babies".

 

 



 

 

 

 

 

TargaryenVers2 on 08 October 2017
Netyaroze said:
Well I think its for the HIV patients that have after treatment an undetectable amount of the Virus in their blood. They are unable to infect others with the virus. If you spread it intentionally and (meaning you do not get treated) Its still illegal.

It's statistically impossible to spread HIV if you're poz but on medications to keep it undetectable. Everyone needs to make smart decisions (USE A CONDOM CORRECTLY AND CONSISTENTLY!!!!!!) and be honest and respectful.

I'm not sure I would have passed this law, though it's very doable to live a normal life with HIV with modern medicine and more understanding in society.



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