Democratic votes and self-determination is "absolutely illegal"? Not in any free and democratic country it's not!

Was there any suggestion that those wanting independence would even win the vote? I've no doubt that there's a whole lot more people that want independence now than there was a week ago. So if they do eventually end up going independent then it will be partly because the Spanish government pushed them in that direction. And by not allowing a democratic vote to even find out if the Catalan people want independence, let alone actually granting it they are effectively saying the only way to go independent is by actually declaring independence and fighting a war for it. Is that really want Spain want? Is that what the EU want? Countries falling in to civil war simply because they can't respect democracy? Why don't you ask Turkey what the EU thought of their (attempted and brief) civil war?

Today can be way worse.

Yes, yes it can.

Seriously? So many other threads about even the most trivial political things, yet where are the threads about Spain's fascist anti-democratic violence? Why is there always criticism of south American, African, Asian and even eastern European countries when they do something even slightly anti-democratic yet so little for such a huge abuse of power by a western European country to restrict democratic freedom and oppress a minority?

From article 2 of the EU Treaty "The Union is founded on the values of respect for human dignity, freedom, democracy, equality, the rule of law and respect for human rights, including the rights of persons belonging to minorities."

Where is the respect of the Catalan people's freedom and democracy? When will Spain be kicked out of the EU for failing to adhere to one of it's most basic tenents? One that western European leaders have used to criticise other countries such as Turkey and Russia numerous times.

Thats not true, there are many dialects in Spain similiar to catalonia

Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian are all the same language. Its exactly comparable to Yugoslavia regardless if you agree or dissagree with the yugoslavian break up (which also forced by Nato).