Yeah, I agree. I mean, I didn't have any expectations about his speech. But he did even worse than I thought. Not a talk about dialogue, consensus, the 1-O violence, the acts of irresponsibility of the central government. Basically putting all the blame in Catalonia. That's irresponsible as hell. He just made things worse than they were, I'd prefer that he rather stayed silence for once. And we're paying for this... I thought he could act as an intermediate between both governments, so, no, that's not gonna happen for sure. Is everyone stupid? 

What's funny about education as that we went through a lot of changes in the last few years, and everything was worse that we had before. There were no dialogue with the colleges/schools representatives, the governments decided on their own. And that's not gonna end up well. We need a consensus between every Spanish parties to do an impartial, quality educative system. And, guess what? That's not going to happen, because everyone is too proud to do otherwise.

I don't know. Maybe because this is vgchartz.com

Duuuuh. I've been thinking all this time that you meant there was somehow remnants of what that movie depicted in our distributions of tables and chairs, which is why I was so confused. I never ever stopped to think about how shitty our tables are until you brought it up. xD

Your whole post seemed like it was implying Spain educated children toward fascists ideologies, which is why I was still trying to point that out with every reply. There was probably a miscommunication here somewhere; doesn't help we're in a thread that claims as such, too, based on OP's headline.

Selectivity is basically an access exam you undertake that touches all the subjects you've done in High School (not all all, most of them, plus you get extra side subjects you can choose to partake with or not). Depending on the score you get, out of a total of 14, you get access to several universities. Medicine school, for example, has the highest requirement, 12. Scoring over that might get you some extra scolarships.

I don't disagree with the notion that the Spanish educational system needs a revamp asap. It's something I also say in my post, because it's true. I also said that my schools and university are terrible, so I don't disagree either with the fact that some places are worse than others.

Their aren't that many if any constition that states that regions/provinces/states can hold that kind of referendum or declare independence.

Secondly I didn't made a thread about it because it is very complicated while I believe a huge majority agrees that how spain handled it was surprisingly shocking and now we are back to the game of 'wait and see what is going to happen'

Almost all governments will go to great lengths to preserve the unity of it's country/territories regardless of what it is written on paper or what is considered right/wrong. I don't consider that is fascism btw. I've watching some of tim pool's coverage of it. They won't get their independence without some use of force because Spain won't allow a referendum or respect it. The UN won't do anything unless Spain starts killing a lot of people to prevent Catalonia from going independent.

Geez, I'm glad we cleared that one up! XD

Going back to my post, yeah I can see how you might get that Idea, but it was absolutely not my intention. I think we're basically on the same page, it's just that you thought (maybe based on my dramatic wording and the overall topic in OP) that I was impling that the school system was intentionally fostering fascism, while I was like:'I wish I had never brought up the damn chairs!' XD

We agree that it needs a revamp, then, wich is really all I meant to say. Well, that and that I find some things the spanish government is doing very worrying, wich is why spain needs well edcated and critical citizens. The topic apparently got away from me a little....

edit: Oh and thanks for explaining the Selcetivity! Our system also involves a test, but is very diffrent overall, so that was very helpful. I think my BF took it if I remember correctly, but his results didn't really matter because he didn't intend to study in spain.

Things don't work that way. You can't adopt a system from not only another country, but another culture, and implant it without adapting it first to your own characteristics, and that's the hardest part.

Still, if our polititians really cared about education, they would work together to develop a common plan and keep it for at least a decade to see its results, instead of making a new law everytime there's a change in the government.

You really think they were just going to let one of their richest and most profitable regions just walk away like that?

On one hand, I'm not surprised that Spain was heavy handed about it, but I would surely think that they would have been able to handle this situation better. There had been news about this for quite some time now.

So I looked into this thing and my opinion hasn't changed. The reasons for Catalonia to want to be independant seem flimsy at best. It's not like they're oppressed or lead terrible lives. What is oppressed is their will to do something stupid. I think it's correct for the government to try and keep people from doing something stupid. If only the UK had the balls to stop Brexit. Another stupid campaign to stroke people's egos and stir excitement in their boring lives.