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caffeinade on 02 October 2017
VGPolyglot said:
caffeinade said:

The thing is, we are not the only market.
The west is very self obsessed, and it can be hard to look past the reach of your own hands: all humans seem to share this fault.

Rising markets such as the ones found in third world countries, who sometimes don't have the money to buy Windows for $100+ USD...
Well they deserve access to computers too; do they not?

I assume a lot of people there have pirated copies of Windows.

I sure do.



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VGPolyglot on 02 October 2017
caffeinade said:
VGPolyglot said:

I assume a lot of people there have pirated copies of Windows.

I sure do.

I did, but my current copy of Windows 10 is legit.



Zkuq on 02 October 2017
Cobretti2 said:
Even if it becomes better eventually people will stick with Windows because it is what they know.
caffeinade said:
Cobretti2 said:
Even if it becomes better eventually people will stick with Windows because it is what they know.

Really?

Almost no one's going to change the OS themselves because it's too technical for the majority of people, but if Linux ever reaches a point where there's a decent number of computers that come with Linux instead of Windows, people are going to get it pretty happily. Most people don't care too much about which OS they're using, as long as it suits their needs. Of course reaching that point requires a lot of work.

Nem said:
Cobretti2 said:
Even if it becomes better eventually people will stick with Windows because it is what they know.

I think that depends on how user friendly the interface becomes. If it's easy to use, it performs better and it's well supported, i wouldn't see a reason for people not to adopt it, especially if it's also cheaper.

Of course, it's easier said than done. But it's not impossible.

Many Linux distributions are already really easy to use, at least for daily use. As soon as you need to deviate from what's possible via GUI (and GUI is usually relatively limited), it gets too hard for the majority, and I'd say GUI offers enough options only for the most, er, basic users. I think the big issue right now is support though. As soon as Linux becomes better supported by software (e.g. games), it can grow, and with growth, devs will move too. As devs move, GUI issues start improving as well as there will be more devs available to work on them. But all this takes a lot of work, and I'm not seeing any of this happening any time soon. The situation has improved, but not quickly.

fatslob-:O said:
Eventually the FOSS community itself will have to step up and start making the drivers themselves cause AMD or some big ass company like Valve can't keep doing this forever when one of the touted benefits of open source software is it's contribution model but obviously it's too hard when writing drivers requires paid professionals ...

Nah, not necessarily true. If Linux ever gains mainstream adoption, those big companies will have no choice but to support Linux. If Linux doesn't gain that adoption though, you're right, and gaining that adoption seems pretty slow right now...



jason1637 on 02 October 2017

Meh im sticking to Windows.



fatslob-:O on 02 October 2017
Zkuq said:

Nah, not necessarily true. If Linux ever gains mainstream adoption, those big companies will have no choice but to support Linux. If Linux doesn't gain that adoption though, you're right, and gaining that adoption seems pretty slow right now...

A classic 'chicken and egg' problem ... 

It's clear that the Linux community has to give in order to get people to adopt just like how Microsoft had to give something in order for customers to adopt Windows ... 

The spark has to start from the source and not vice versa ... 



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vivster on 03 October 2017
caffeinade said:
Cobretti2 said:
Even if it becomes better eventually people will stick with Windows because it is what they know.

Really?

Linux isn't the future for the PC market. Linux is the future of the console market. At some point we will have custom console boxes running Linux on it that define themselves only over their hardware, price and distro features and not shitty exclusives. It works in the console space because it's dedicated to gaming. Linux won't dominate on PC because PC is not dedicated to gaming. Most apps rely on Windows, so it's impractical to run linux or even have a dual boot just for gaming.



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hunter_alien on 03 October 2017
caffeinade said:
VGPolyglot said:

Most people I know, I don't see them changing from WIndows/Mac OS.

The thing is, we are not the only market.
The west is very self obsessed, and it can be hard to look past the reach of your own hands: all humans seem to share this fault.

Rising markets such as the ones found in third world countries, who sometimes don't have the money to buy Windows for $100+ USD...
Well they deserve access to computers too; do they not?

Yes, but in those markets you can buy for 150$ a second-hand laptop with Windows on it. Windows is not as expensive as it used to it. Hell I never had to buy a Windows licence as I always had one lying around from a PC/Laptop purchase. Again, it's not impossible to make Linux mainstream, but I am not seeing it happening in the next 15-20 years, not with the ammount of cash MS has for R&D and advertisement.



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VGPolyglot on 03 October 2017
Ka-pi96 said:
caffeinade said:

The thing is, we are not the only market.
The west is very self obsessed, and it can be hard to look past the reach of your own hands: all humans seem to share this fault.

Rising markets such as the ones found in third world countries, who sometimes don't have the money to buy Windows for $100+ USD...
Well they deserve access to computers too; do they not?

People actually buy Windows? WTF?

It's always come pre-installed in even the cheapest computer I've ever bought. I'd assume that's true the world over.

Yeah, but part of the price of the computer is actually for WIndows.



VGPolyglot on 03 October 2017
Ka-pi96 said:
VGPolyglot said:

Yeah, but part of the price of the computer is actually for WIndows.

Well I'm looking at PC World right now and the cheapest they have is a laptop at £169.97 ($225). I very much doubt $100 (almost half!) of that is for Windows.

Well, I don't know where he got that number from, but I do know that for computers that come with Windows pre-installed, part of the cost is for the OS. It's one of the ways that MS makes so much money.



caffeinade on 03 October 2017
Ka-pi96 said:
caffeinade said:

The thing is, we are not the only market.
The west is very self obsessed, and it can be hard to look past the reach of your own hands: all humans seem to share this fault.

Rising markets such as the ones found in third world countries, who sometimes don't have the money to buy Windows for $100+ USD...
Well they deserve access to computers too; do they not?

People actually buy Windows? WTF?

It's always come pre-installed in even the cheapest computer I've ever bought. I'd assume that's true the world over.

In the west, yeah.
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