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SpokenTruth said:
Superman4 said:

I dont have an exact number for you but according to this article knife related attacks increased by over 10%. Gun crimes went down (obviously ) but they are still responsible for a decent percentage of murders.

 

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/knife-killings-on-the-rise-in-australia-as-gun-murders-fall-says-new-criminology-report/news-story/8abb94fcce1a98675f771b2d183875f9

"The latest homicide in Australia report by the Australian Institute of Criminology (AIC) shows 13 per cent of people murdered in 2008/09 and 2009/10 were killed by firearms, down from 25 per cent in the late 1980s.

But knife murders have risen from 30 to 41 per cent over the last decade."

Is this trying to say that Australia had more knife murders than firearm murders before and after the ban?

I took it as 25% in the late 80s, 30-41% as from the last decade, so 2003-2013 when the article was written.  The ban on guns was enacted in 1996. It doesnt show what the knife murders were in the 80s though for a complete comparison.



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SpokenTruth said:
Superman4 said:

I dont have an exact number for you but according to this article knife related attacks increased by over 10%. Gun crimes went down (obviously ) but they are still responsible for a decent percentage of murders.

 

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/knife-killings-on-the-rise-in-australia-as-gun-murders-fall-says-new-criminology-report/news-story/8abb94fcce1a98675f771b2d183875f9

"The latest homicide in Australia report by the Australian Institute of Criminology (AIC) shows 13 per cent of people murdered in 2008/09 and 2009/10 were killed by firearms, down from 25 per cent in the late 1980s.

But knife murders have risen from 30 to 41 per cent over the last decade."

Is this trying to say that Australia had more knife murders than firearm murders before and after the ban?

That is obvious.

I mean look at one of Austrailias best movies ever. Crocodile Dundee. What is one of his famous quotes?

"That's not a knife. This is a knife."

(FYI, doubtful Australia had anything to do with the making of that movie)



A couple of cards from the Illuminati card game, which has been around for quite a long time. Note the main headline of the "Mass Murder" card. Not trying to turn this into a conspiracy thing, just found it intriguing.



Superman4 said:
Puppyroach said:

Which is why regulations on travel increased aswell as security routines and background checks on staff within the industry, aswell as a "no-fly" list. Funny how some things can become heavily regulated after an incident...

Im not saying some things shouildnt change, banning guns or types of guns wont solve the problem. I do agree that background checks should be mandatory. 

Well, it solves most of the problems with mass shootings in every other country.



Puppyroach said:
Superman4 said:

Im not saying some things shouildnt change, banning guns or types of guns wont solve the problem. I do agree that background checks should be mandatory. 

Well, it solves most of the problems with mass shootings in every other country.

By that logic we should ban cars to stop car deaths.



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Superman4 said:
Puppyroach said:

Well, it solves most of the problems with mass shootings in every other country.

By that logic we should ban cars to stop car deaths.

Well, cars are heavily regulated and you usually need to take a number of lessons to show that you can even manage driving and if you get a license and still drive like a maniac, you can loose the license. Also, you can't take cars wherever you want and businesses take precautions to avoid crazy people driving into businesses and such. So yeah, if you want to regulate weapons as heavily as cars, many problems would be solved. Except that tiny issue with weapons having the specific purpose of causing harm.... 



irstupid said:
I just love the two causes the left is fighting/protesting about right now

1. Ban all guns from civilians so only law enforcement/military have them
2. Law Enforcement are all racists, corrupt evil murderers

Wow, that's a cool strawman! Where'd you get the materials from?



Puppyroach said:
Superman4 said:

By that logic we should ban cars to stop car deaths.

Well, cars are heavily regulated and you usually need to take a number of lessons to show that you can even manage driving and if you get a license and still drive like a maniac, you can loose the license. Also, you can't take cars wherever you want and businesses take precautions to avoid crazy people driving into businesses and such. So yeah, if you want to regulate weapons as heavily as cars, many problems would be solved. Except that tiny issue with weapons having the specific purpose of causing harm.... 

Weapons were never purposed to cause harm against other humans initially. They were meant to cause harm to the animals that needed to be killed for food, but those same weapons were looked upon as defense against predatory animals. When times were tough, and stealing became somewhat necessary, that's when the human intruders would take those same weapons and use them to cause harm to other humans with resources that were needed for the intruders to survive. That eventually led to the defending humans creating better weapons to ensure their own safety, which would eventually lead to those new weapons being copied or out done by even better weapons that the intruders would use.

Once an intelligent being learns that using a weapon to take something from another being can be done without all that much risk, especially in a group, then they naturally want to keep doing that, because it's much easier than doing the work necessary yourself. Why not let somone else do all the work, then just steal from them (and kill if necessary)?  It's sad but true. Most people don't understand this today, because around the world, most people aren't even close to this desperate in terms of food, so there is little reason to think that way. Sure, there are some places that don't have things as easy, and those are typically the places you see with much more crime, especially when it comes to death and injury.

It's not just guns either. Even a cell phone falls under the same reasoning. Initially, that cell phone allowed you to call an ambulance immediately, which saved your life, where as someone else who couldn't make it inside to the home phone, ended up dying. That cell phone aloud some businessman to make faster decisions leading to them making more money than their stone age landline competitors. Some people would say that's just life, others would say in reality, your using a "weapon" of sorts against other people, leading to your benefit, and their loss.

Everything in the universe will always eventually take the easiest path, if it can, and everything will do what it must to survive, if necessary.



EricHiggin said:
Puppyroach said:

Well, cars are heavily regulated and you usually need to take a number of lessons to show that you can even manage driving and if you get a license and still drive like a maniac, you can loose the license. Also, you can't take cars wherever you want and businesses take precautions to avoid crazy people driving into businesses and such. So yeah, if you want to regulate weapons as heavily as cars, many problems would be solved. Except that tiny issue with weapons having the specific purpose of causing harm.... 

Weapons were never purposed to cause harm against other humans initially. They were meant to cause harm to the animals that needed to be killed for food, but those same weapons were looked upon as defense against predatory animals. When times were tough, and stealing became somewhat necessary, that's when the human intruders would take those same weapons and use them to cause harm to other humans with resources that were needed for the intruders to survive. That eventually led to the defending humans creating better weapons to ensure their own safety, which would eventually lead to those new weapons being copied or out done by even better weapons that the intruders would use.

There are still weapons where the main purpose is to kill animals, but most weapons today have the specific purpose of being a defense against or, mainly, to cause harm to other human beings.



Puppyroach said:
EricHiggin said:

Weapons were never purposed to cause harm against other humans initially. They were meant to cause harm to the animals that needed to be killed for food, but those same weapons were looked upon as defense against predatory animals. When times were tough, and stealing became somewhat necessary, that's when the human intruders would take those same weapons and use them to cause harm to other humans with resources that were needed for the intruders to survive. That eventually led to the defending humans creating better weapons to ensure their own safety, which would eventually lead to those new weapons being copied or out done by even better weapons that the intruders would use.

There are still weapons where the main purpose is to kill animals, but most weapons today have the specific purpose of being a defense against or, mainly, to cause harm to other human beings.

Yes, that would be a further conclusion to my last post. Desperate times call for desperate measures. This is what eventually led to weapons being created in the more recent history of the world, for defense solely against other humans. Some of those weapons are of course, made in an efficient way so that they can also be used aggressively against other humans if necessary. Like I said before, once an intelligent being realizes that they can use other people to do their work, it becomes extremely hard to do the work yourself instead of just taking care of the much easier "dirty work". Sometimes the "dirty work" is hands off, and sometimes it's hands on. It happens all the time, everyday, and not just in terms of physically harmful weapons either.

Also, trying to say that guns are specifically designed to kill other people is incorrect. Guns are always about self defense first. Some of those guns are made so efficiently that they are extremely useful when used aggressively, but the point remains that the same gun would be even better as a defense weapon. You can't also say that certain guns are not made for self defense because it's "unnecessary". Depending on where you live in the world, what's necessary and what isn't, in terms of self defense, varies greatly. There is also the "what if" factor. While that is a more unlikely scenario, if your Country ends up in civil war, or another Country invades, or a chemical attack happens leading to hoards of zombie like people trying to kill you, having one of those "unnecessary guns" could be your saving grace. Trying to find one during or after the event, good luck, that's why having one right now isn't the worst idea, as long as it's not left on the front porch for someone to steal.

Even nukes, which seem an aggressive weapon, are not. The US didn't drop the few they did because they wanted to take something from someone else. They had been attacked and they knew at the time, that the enemy was more than willing to sacrifice every last one of themselves to keep their honor, so in self defense, the US killed so many, so quickly, in such a horrible way, it led to their enemy re-evaluating how important their honor really was in comparision to the potential extinction of their race, which led to the end of that conflict. The fact that even using a nuke as self defense today, could lead to entire Countries being wiped off the map, I would think at least a few people would be mentioning/protesting that. Instead we're way more worried about guns and a few death's. The fact that a nuclear war is less likely than mass shooting, doesn't mean it should be left out, if not completely off the table. Yet it seems that's exactly the case. Unless the news brings it up, it's not something to worry about apparently, until it ever happens God forbid, and whoever survives, will be begging for three main things. Food, shelter, and protection/a gun.