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Ganoncrotch said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

I remember that one time a guy stabbed 400 people and killed 50 others in 10 minutes with a knife..

Oh yeah, that was another withered looking 60+ year old man as well wasn't it? With his switch blade. Honestly people there is no way that person would have killed the number he did without the weapon he used, even the bomb in the concert in manchester killed far less people.

Also the argument of "maybe he didn't buy the automatic rifle himself because only X amount of people in the US are allowed those guns" okay.... so someone else was able to walk into a store and buy it and then illegally sell it to this person, the chain of the gun getting into this old fuckers hands still doesn't exist in other countries as easily as it does in the US.

Well... when it comes to ninjas, older usually means more deadly.



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A guy inflicted 450 casualties in a few mins and we are saying the weapon does not matter....

 

 

idiots



Pemalite said:
When will you Americans learn about Gun Control? It does work.

We won't, and until we do shit like this will continue to happen.



Puppyroach said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

The problem is beyond gun control. There are too many souls living here and in  In a semi-free market there also comes a black market (obviously because its not completely free). You cannot stop people in America from getting guns, no less than you can stop illegal drug trade. Take away the guns too and no one will be able to defend themselves. American has been entrenched in gun culture since its inception.

You will never get any control whatsoever if you don't start somewhere. Saying that the problem is to big and therefore nothing should be done to regulate sales is to give up. Australia is a great example of the effects from gun control. Also, people don't need guns to defend themselves, arming everyone just causes more and more violence instead.

^ this is the problem that most just dont seem able to accept.

But something has to be done, its costing way more lives than it protects.



Ganoncrotch said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

I remember that one time a guy stabbed 400 people and killed 50 others in 10 minutes with a knife..

Oh yeah, that was another withered looking 60+ year old man as well wasn't it? With his switch blade. Honestly people there is no way that person would have killed the number he did without the weapon he used, even the bomb in the concert in manchester killed far less people.

Also the argument of "maybe he didn't buy the automatic rifle himself because only X amount of people in the US are allowed those guns" okay.... so someone else was able to walk into a store and buy it and then illegally sell it to this person, the chain of the gun getting into this old fuckers hands still doesn't exist in other countries as easily as it does in the US.

Well I've read tha the does have his pilots licenes for a smal plane.

He could do a lot of damage with that. Imagine crashing a small plane into a crowded concert. Or putting a bomb in that plane he crashes.

I don't know the whole no fly zones, but guessing he does and would be able to find a suitable crowded target that would allow him to fly.

Guns or no guns, people bent to doing mass murders will find a way to do it. Just look at all the terrorist attacks in the last few years. I swear only 1 in 10 are gun related at all.



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JRPGfan said:
Puppyroach said:

You will never get any control whatsoever if you don't start somewhere. Saying that the problem is to big and therefore nothing should be done to regulate sales is to give up. Australia is a great example of the effects from gun control. Also, people don't need guns to defend themselves, arming everyone just causes more and more violence instead.

^ this is the problem that most just dont seem able to accept.

But something has to be done, its costing way more lives than it protects.

On a serious note. Countries with gun control typically have lower homicide rates than those who don't have it or don't enforce it.

It doesn't prevent guns from being completely removed, as Breivik was able to get weaponry from the US and kill 77 people, but it does significantly cut down on it.

In the US there have already been two mass shootings in October alone... and it's only October 2nd.



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ArchangelMadzz said:
VGPolyglot said:

They could also create IEDs that could blow and and do quite a bit of damage.

That's true, but IED's aren't sold in Walmart. Thats the craziness of American law.

Mr Puggsly said:

If I was going to even consider doing that... I would probably opt for something other than a knife.

Its not impossible to kill 50 people with pistols. Obviously you would have numerous magazines loaded. I hear the shooting went on for like 10 minutes. I'm not a gun expert, but I think I could shoot a few hundred shots in 10 minutes if I had a bunch of loaded magazines and maybe if there are a few pistols incase of jamming and what not.

Frankly, he was just shooting into a large crowd from above. I assume that made hitting people relatively easy.

Good luck shooting over 250 with a pistol before someone stops you. Reloading? That takes time. There's absolutely no way man. 

Aeolus451 said:

You could get a car into any open area with enough prepartion and planning. It can be more damaging depending on how it's used.. That's exactly why this guy was so deadly. He used the gun in the most effective way you could and he planned it out that way. It's the same thing with bombs. 

Depending but there is a reason why the car attacks don't kill as much people as you'd think, it's a lot more difficult than it looks. That's why shooting an assault rifle into the crowd was the preferred option because its way easier to kill a lot more people. 

 

Bombs the damage is limitless but you can't buy bombs in Walmart. Kind of my point is it's way to easy to get guns in America.

Care to point to the Wal-Mart page where I can buy a fully automatic gun of any type?  And yes, Wal-Mart doesn't sell bombs, but they'll sell you the ingredients to make a shit load of them.  Guess we should ban all of those too.

 

This shit just pisses me off so much, cause you can tell the people who don't give two shits about these people. They're just looking to use their deaths for a political push of their ideology.  It's sickening.



The government can have my M4 assault rifle when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.



Nem said:
2nd ammendment amirite?! Bang! Bang!

Deplorable. It is self inflicted in a way. A law from centuries ago and many americans refuse to understand that the world changed and it doesn't make sense anymore.

Yep. These same people believe in a book that can be summed up perfectly by your statement as well. Creates issues. 



ArchangelMadzz said:
Mr Puggsly said:

If you had a few pistols and a bunch of magazines it can be done. You could empty a magazine in seconds.

It was a massive crowd as well, so hitting people was easier.

If you had many many pistols and military training it could MAYBE be done. But (now) 450 people is a lot of people and I said 'a' pistol not pistols. Rounds were firing anywhere for several minutes. You're not thinking properly or haven't dealt with guns if you think you could do that kind of damage and spread with even several pistols. 

You don't need great training to load magazines and swap.

Did 450 people get hit with bullets? If so, that's pretty amazing. I assume a lot of injuries could be trampling, slips, etc.

He hit many people because it was a massive crowd and he was above. You can do that with pistols as well.

Edit: He apparently had more than 10 rifles. So as I suggested, this guy was really motivated to kill a lot of people.



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