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Forums - Sales Discussion - Global Hardware And Software 12 August 2017

Lawlight said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Why is that so unbelievable? 

Because that's a whole lot of countries where people would usually but a PS4 over a Switch. I guess sales will just have to be adjusted up like they did a few months up.

Lawlight, you seriously need to learn how to detach your personal biases from logic.

Switch is a new console that serves two different markets simultaneously and has actual exclusives coming out right now. It's not unexpected for it to outsell PS4, and I doubt adjustments will be made. 



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fatslob-:O said:
Peach_buggy said:

I'm pretty sure the Switch is massively undertracked here in Europe. I mean, more supply is available now, so surely the numbers should go up? Also, going by last weeks' numbers ( 5 Aug.) approximately 20k were sold just in U.K. France and Germany, so the whole of the rest of the continent only adds up to 15k? That's a lot of countries to only sell 15k in! Also, if you apply the same equation to PS4, it goes from roughly 25k in the 3 main countries to around 65k all told, so 40k in the rest of Europe. I don't buy it!

Means that immediate demand has been met in Europe for the Switch ... (they don't really want anymore Switch units than they already have) 

Shortages indicate potential sales and businesses would ideally try to match that demand ... 

The reason why PS4 peforms much better than the Switch in other European territories is because it's the far more desirable system and that's all there is to it, simple really ... 

Yes but if the demand is suddenly met, then that also tells you the sales would have gone up, so that is just what i am trying to say. There are still places where supply is not quite being met yet, so there could be more room for higher numbers eventually. Nope i don't buy your reason either. Any proof? I agree that Nintendo should make more of  an effort in several of those countries but Switch doing Wii u-like numbers in Europe? Nope not buying it. Not like the numbers here are all that accurate at times anyway.



You have any proof of this at all? 



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Lawlight said:

Because that's a whole lot of countries where people would usually but a PS4 over a Switch. I guess sales will just have to be adjusted up like they did a few months up.

Lawlight, you seriously need to learn how to detach your personal biases from logic.

Switch is a new console that serves two different markets simultaneously and has actual exclusives coming out right now. It's not unexpected for it to outsell PS4, and I doubt adjustments will be made. 

We're talking about the rest of the world here - the Switch did not outsell the PS4 there. The margin is what I am doubting. We're talking regions like ANZ, Middle East, Africa where Nintendo is virtually absent.

And you can doubt that adjustments will be made but we've seen for a fact that VGC massively underestimated PS4's sales this year and they've had to do adjustments.



Lawlight said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Lawlight, you seriously need to learn how to detach your personal biases from logic.

Switch is a new console that serves two different markets simultaneously and has actual exclusives coming out right now. It's not unexpected for it to outsell PS4, and I doubt adjustments will be made. 

We're talking about the rest of the world here - the Switch did not outsell the PS4 there. The margin is what I am doubting. We're talking regions like ANZ, Middle East, Africa where Nintendo is virtually absent.

And you can doubt that adjustments will be made but we've seen for a fact that VGC massively underestimated PS4's sales this year and they've had to do adjustments.

Still don't see how it's surprising that Switch can compete, but okey dokey. 



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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Lawlight said:

We're talking about the rest of the world here - the Switch did not outsell the PS4 there. The margin is what I am doubting. We're talking regions like ANZ, Middle East, Africa where Nintendo is virtually absent.

And you can doubt that adjustments will be made but we've seen for a fact that VGC massively underestimated PS4's sales this year and they've had to do adjustments.

Still don't see how it's surprising that Switch can compete, but okey dokey. 

Well, I can't help you if you didn't read the post.



Lawlight said:
bonzobanana said:

Same in UK pretty much. Not even Switch demo units where I live and the surrounding towns. I got my first proper look at a Switch in a secondhand shop (CEX). However with stock shortages why bother to push the Switch? There are PS4's and Xbox One's in stock ready to go out the door. So I'm not sure its lack of confidence in Switch or simply no point pushing it yet, at least that is the case in the UK.

Is there a Switch shortage in the UK? Stock trackers say no.

I just checked a stock checking site myself and it appears that stock is now entering the UK Market a lot faster than previously. Might not be a shortage but it seems that Nintendo has at least met demand over here.



Lawlight said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Lawlight, you seriously need to learn how to detach your personal biases from logic.

Switch is a new console that serves two different markets simultaneously and has actual exclusives coming out right now. It's not unexpected for it to outsell PS4, and I doubt adjustments will be made. 

We're talking about the rest of the world here - the Switch did not outsell the PS4 there. The margin is what I am doubting. We're talking regions like ANZ, Middle East, Africa where Nintendo is virtually absent.

And you can doubt that adjustments will be made but we've seen for a fact that VGC massively underestimated PS4's sales this year and they've had to do adjustments.

If you did your sums right you would see that PS4 outsold Switch by about 17k in rest of the world. It's pretty much the same as any week and the Switch has yet to launch in some areas yet, so it's only going to narrow. Also, the adjustments wre from undertracking years ago. Right now, the only undertracking going on is with the Switch, so if there's going to be any readjustments, they will be in favour of the Switch, not the PS4.



What a shame, Microsoft was on a roll the second half of 2016, 2017 has been a huge letdown in comparison. Here's hoping they recover.



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The Switch will outsell 3DS (based on VGchartz numbers), according to me, while Intrinsic thinks the opposite will hold true. One month avatar control for the loser's avatar.

Lawlight said:
bonzobanana said:

Same in UK pretty much. Not even Switch demo units where I live and the surrounding towns. I got my first proper look at a Switch in a secondhand shop (CEX). However with stock shortages why bother to push the Switch? There are PS4's and Xbox One's in stock ready to go out the door. So I'm not sure its lack of confidence in Switch or simply no point pushing it yet, at least that is the case in the UK.

Is there a Switch shortage in the UK? Stock trackers say no.

http://www.nowinstock.net/uk/videogaming/consoles/nintendoswitch/

 

I know you are not used to this but it is actually proof. Available in less than 50% of the stockists here. Yeah i'd say that pretty much proves shortages.