I watched the latest Discovery episode and.. It's still not growing on me. It is JJ trek.

The Orville on the other hand is getting better and better. The 4th episode was TNG imo.

5th episode of The Orville looks interesting with a major guest star in it, excited to see how it plays out.

u need to watch kimmy schmidt if u have any preference for comedy.

U also need to watch Seven Deadly Sins and Little witch Academia if u like anime

Ok. I just watched the first 5 minutes of The Orville Season 1 Ep.2. I couldn't watch any further, because it was unbearable. Badly written jokes dragged out to make sure the audience gets there is supposedly a very funny thing happening on screen.

And the new ST series is even worse? I can't imagine how.

Orville is cringe worthy when it's trying to be funny - and mostly pretty average to bad cast doesn't help at all. But it's actually trying to be Gene's Trek, and with each episode it's starting to feel more and more like TNG - a fanmade TNG, but in absence of proper old Trek, it's bearable.

STD on the other hand has almost nothing to do with Gene's Trek, it's televised Jar Jar's crap, pretending to be prime timeline Trek - all that lead by pretty bad actress.

If they made it as new IP, it would still be fairly average show, but at least it wouldn't be pissing on legacy of Gene's Trek.

I guess i just stick to re-watching old Star Trek Movies and Galaxy Quest.

Both The Orville and Star Trek Discovery aren't really that bad. No one made a thread yet on the biggest failure out of all the new shows this season so far Marvel's Inhumans I think I have to catch one episode before they cancel it too see how bad it is. Although 9JKL rates even lower but I saw that one coming a mile away since the trailers look terrible and most laugh track sitcoms are very bad period.

Feel the exact oppersite of this.

Orville already started getting boreing around the 4th episode.

While the more Discovery I watched the better I liked it.

tastes vary, but I agree.... not sure what people in this thread see in Orville, after the 4th episode I dropped it.

ST discovery is much better imo.

I watched 2 episodes of inhumans,..... with the 3rd I was like... nope... time to drop this, its too silly.

Havnt even heard of 9JKL, but if its bad I guess that doesnt matter.

If your looking for something new / fun to watch, Id recammend :

"the good place" (kirsten bell is awesome) 

"the tick" (esp if you as a kid watched the show)

"The Shannara Chronicles" (if ur into fantasy or read the books)

I see a show that despite flaws is made with heart and passion to carry on Gene's vision and Treks legacy. We live in an age of cynicism, it is refreshing to have something bright about people trying to do what is right.

Discovery is an attempt to appeal to non Trek fans, similar to JJ Abrams 2009 reboot. It's fine if that brings in new people, but in doing so alienated old fans.  I get bored by mindless action and effects, I get invested in story and character.

I will take Orville as a nice substitute until I finally get a true third generation of Star Trek been waiting twenty years for.