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Forums - Sales Discussion - Credit Suisse Lifts Nintendo Rating to Outperform, Predicts 130 Million Switch Units Sold by 2022

 

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The broker also hiked its target price from JPY40,000 a share to JPY55,000, implying  almost 44% upside. Credit Suisse now forecasts Nintendo to sell 130 million Switch consoles through to 2022, up from 70 million, as it says the device sells like a handheld console rather than a traditional console. Here's Credit Suisse analyst Keiichi Yoneshima in his own words:

As Nintendo’s Switch is a unique game platform for use as either a console or handheld, there was initially some uncertainty over whether its sales cycle would more closely resemble that of a console or handheld. Although the Switch is currently categorized as more of a console, we expect it to sell like a handheld. Many users are in fact using the Switch as a portable according to a Famitsu survey of users. We previously projected a sales peak at about three years after launch (i.e., in FY3/19) on the assumption of a console-like sales cycle. Now that the Switch looks more likely to sell like a handheld, we update our sales forecast to reflect a longer sales cycle. We now expect the Switch to achieve peak sales about five years after launch (i.e., around FY3/20–21) like a typical handheld game device. We also raise our peak-year sales forecast from 25mn to 31mn units.

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Keep in mind that this is 130 million by 2022. So the average it will sell per calendar year is 21.6 million. The only systems that got this high annually is the Wii and DS. The DS went as high as 30 million per year. So this isn't too far fetched. We will just have to wait and see.

I think this prediction is a bit too high but the Switch keeps outdoing my predictions so we'll see.



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Ahhh, our first Nintendo Switch prediction that can be seen as genuinely overshot.
I'd consider 80-100 million a great success.
But 130? Yeah, even with Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Splatoon, Mario, Breath of the Wild, plus a ton of 3rd party, I'm doubtful about that.



Remember all the people saying it would be Wii U 2.0? It was apparently too clunky, undesired, terribly advertised, and too expensive.

Good times.



The guy manages to be even more optimistic than me!



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So that's 130 million from Q1 2017 to Q4 2022, or 24 quarters.

For reference:

DS shipped 135.58 million during that time-frame (Q4 2004 to Q3 2010)
Wii shipped 97.18 million during that time-frame (Q4 2006 to Q3 2012)



I can see vgchartz regaining it's old glory through the next few years if this is true. All the old nintendo fan boys will come out of hiding to savour the salty tears of fanboy meltdowns.

I was in hiding for 5 years after the wii u debacle.



Is he talking globally in the US or what?



Based on what we're at now, even with solid early success I would say this is a pretty overblown prediction.

If they make many models including basically a successor in 3-4 years that they sell concurrently with older models .... maaaaaaybe, but even then thy would need a ton of top tier third party support to even get close to 130 IMO.

Nintendo doesn't have enough top selling franchises, they'll already have used Zelda/Mario 3D/Mario Kart/Splatoon by year end, leaving Pokemon, Smash, and Animal Crossing really as their top tier selling IP for the rest of the generation. Successive sequels don't have the same impact as it generally just attracts the same audience over and over again.

Unlike Wii, the motion games on Switch like 1,2 Switch and ARMS are not taking off in anywhere close to the same fashion, so Switch is largely going to have to sell to traditional gamers and I dunno, 130 is a big ask.

Nintendo DS had basically the entire touch gaming market to itself before smartphones showed up and that was a huge differniator, we saw with 3DS, Nintendogs, Brain Training, Style Savvy, etc. fall apart completely. 

The differeniator between Switch and what is the status quo today (cheap, casual smartphone titles) is that Switch offers much higher end console type experiences, but does Nintendo have enough of those IP to continually drive sales once Mario/Pokemon/Zelda/Splatoon are tapped out. Third parties would have to help a lot here. 



Soundwave said:
Based on what we're at now, even with solid early success I would say this is a pretty overblown prediction.

If they make many models including basically a successor in 3-4 years that they sell concurrently with older models .... maaaaaaybe, but even then thy would need a ton of top tier third party support to even get close to 130 IMO.

Nintendo doesn't have enough top selling franchises, they'll already have used Zelda/Mario 3D/Mario Kart/Splatoon by year end, leaving Pokemon, Smash, and Animal Crossing really as their top tier selling IP for the rest of the generation. Successive sequels don't have the same impact as it generally just attracts the same audience over and over again.

Unlike Wii, the motion games on Switch like 1,2 Switch and ARMS are not taking off in anywhere close to the same fashion, so Switch is largely going to have to sell to traditional gamers and I dunno, 130 is a big ask.

I agree.  They're running out of flagship franchises within the first year and we still haven't seen solid third party support outside of ports and indie games.