So FM6 is under Driveclub holy moses.

Also considering the sum

Forza Motorsport 19,46M isn't much over GT5 (12M)+Prologe(5.4M) and with GT6(5.2M) we have GT outselling all Forza with only one generation of games, but is GT that is on danger and needs to change teams.

Also funny that DC have sold better than most Forza Horizon as well.

And even putting all FM and FH the battle against GT5P+GT5+GT6 is basically a tie.

So FM6 is under Driveclub holy moses.

Also considering the sum

Forza Motorsport 19,46M isn't much over GT5 (12M)+Prologe(5.4M) and with GT6(5.2M) we have GT outselling all Forza with only one generation of games, but is GT that is on danger and needs to change teams.

Also funny that DC have sold better than most Forza Horizon as well.

And even putting all FM and FH the battle against GT5P+GT5+GT6 is basically a tie.

So FM6 is under Driveclub holy moses.

Also considering the sum

Forza Motorsport 19,46M isn't much over GT5 (12M)+Prologe(5.4M) and with GT6(5.2M) we have GT outselling all Forza with only one generation of games, but is GT that is on danger and needs to change teams.

Also funny that DC have sold better than most Forza Horizon as well.

And even putting all FM and FH the battle against GT5P+GT5+GT6 is basically a tie.

You aren't getting the full context of forza without including the horizon series. Forza horizon 3 has outsold the last four forza games before it (horizon 1,2 forza 5,6) and sits at 2.49 million, with about ~500k more sales for PC. Yes, it wasn't as big as it used to be, but the decline has stopped and the series is stable now. Even gears has a pc version, so those sales aren't as bad as they look either 

Why would i mix the Motorsport and Horizon franchises?

They are both independent, made by different people and aimed possibly at a different audience.

The only thing they share is the name, basically because they wanted to push the Horizon series at first. Ironically, it is the one that is more popular now than the other game.

Will MS change name and launch Forza Horizon: Motorsport 1 instead of Forza Motorsport 7?

Eh, it's a little less of an achievement, in my eyes, for DRIVECLUB to be ahead of Forza. PS4's userbase is a big help and the system lacks an abundance of its own racers.

Considering there has been Four Forza games released on the Xbox One: (2) Forza Motorsport's and (2) Forza Horizon's, can we really consider Forza 7 a System Seller?

Basically, anyone who wanted to buy an Xbox One to play a Forza game had 4 chances to do it, and most likely they already bought one.

A Forza 7 Bundle is coming, but i wonder how effective will be as a System Seller.

I dont think the Xbox One will be taking an NPD this year, not with that Line Up.

With Nintendo releasing Mario Odyssey this holidays, the gap will be closing by the millions.

Forza horizon 2 (inclining the Xbox 360 version) and Forza Horizon 3 have both outsold driveclub.

At the time DC released the userbase wasn't that much different and considering the low attach ratio the difference in userbase is neglible. And sure few titles help. But a lot of people consider DC a flop, but the 2M+ sales isn't that bad and was able to outsell the best seller of the competitor.

I wouldn't ever consider FM7 a system seller myself. And yes you are absolutelly right that it won't push much system (perhaps for the enhancements for X1X it will help it).

Are we going to compare 2 versions of FH2 to DC on sales? DC is considered a flop and FH and FM runaway sucess and yet when looking at numbers on current state the difference isn't so expressive.

At the time DC released the userbase wasn't that much different and considering the low attach ratio the difference in userbase is neglible. And sure few titles help. But a lot of people consider DC a flop, but the 2M+ sales isn't that bad and was able to outsell the best seller of the competitor.

I didn't said at the time because I wasn't talking about userbase, considering 2M sales on 30 or 60M userbase is irrelevant the size of the userbase, even more when FM5 sold more than FM6 having less userbase for it to sell.

Yes I was surprised that FM 6 sold less than DC at what numbers we have today.

Sum, consider the sales of ALL FM, versus only sales of GT on 7th gen. So if we are going to compare the way you want on userbase we would have 85M for PS3 versus almost 150M for X+X360+X1. So what is the point?

And yes, DC sold better than FH1 and 2, I didn't expect that. People here have considered FH a very good game and seller and DC a bad one.

CGI yes the userbase is irrelevant, that is my argument, I don't know what you are trying to deny.

After release most would even expect it crossing 1M, let alone 2M. While Forza have previously sold 5+M

CGI you know that after the first month of sales there isn't much more for most IPs

DC sold 500k on 1st month, 1M by the 10th week at a time PS4 was at 15M or so. By your logic Forza 6 releasing on a 30M userbase should have sold much much more.

Halo 3 sold much more than Halo 4 even releasing at much smaller userbase at the time.

It isn't anywhere common for a game to have a resurgence of sales 3 years after it release. Also it's basically pointless to say that a game that sold 2M on a 30M userbase would have done much better on 60M, the correlation is very small.

Nope, there is something called "inside logic", on that "following this line of though, or in this universe ethos". But nope on broad terms the argument was illogical.

And nope DC wasn't a sucess. And that is what makes it impressive that it sold over 2M being not sucessfull, but several here still put Forza as sucessfull while losing to even DC.

Nope. You tried to put the size of the userbase as being very relevant. Yet Halo 3 on a much much smaller userbase than Halo 4 sold much more than it. Same with DC, when released the userbase of PS4 was smaller than the userbase of X1 on Forza 6 release and still outsold it. If the size of the userbase were the problem for Forza 6 sales then Forza 5 would have to sold much less than Forza 6 since it had a much smaller userbase when it released.

Once all the variables you mentioned but are not even supporting your argument if not by reaching and spin. Because for the nth time the size of the userbase didn't impacted the sales of DC or Forza 6 to any significant size.

DC, not sucessfull new IP. Forza 6, lukewarm sales and possible decline on series.

Of course there is nothing numerically impressive... both were close to 2M sold. All the rest of your argument was the non-sense part.