Well lets ignore generations because they kinda don't matter when 9th gen begins in what may be the middle of the 8th gen. Wii U was scrapped faster than probably intended because it was a sales disaster.

Dreamcast WAS competing with PS1 and it shared games. Technically, Dreamcast competed with PS1 longer than PS2 if you look at release dates and when Sega threw in the towel. Sega gave up virtually one year after PS2 released, about 6 months in the US.

This isn't about a fair fight. People are simply guessing when Switch COULD surpass X1's userbase. Hence, does the Switch have enough momentum to surpass the X1 and if so how quickly.

In the grand scheme, it doesn't really matter. Not because these are platforms of different generations, but because these devices appeal to primarily different audiences. Hence, even if the userbase of X1 and Switch was equal, their top selling software is going to be very different. So both platforms succeed with primarily different audiences.

What exclusives? Specifically what X1X exclusives? There are no X1X exclusives until VR some time next year.

He is a master at it... as someone said, don't try to discuss with someone (words that can't be written here), because when you descend to his level you'll lose, because he is an expert in that level.

No one said the game is dead. What we are saying is that since Halo 5 already launched on the console (and MCC before) there is little to reason to expect a big boost from Halo 6 (even if it sold 10M). You try to find illogical things to defend a point that is impossible to defend.

I would bet that if we go back further enough we can find other predictions of yours like X1 obliterating PS4 in sales, or that after DX12 came to X1 it would be stronger than PS4 and it would outsell it.

And no, being the 3rd best selling doesn't mean much at all. PS3 is still the third best selling Playstation, still it isn't regarded as a sucess. And was a decline on PS HW sales.

No one also said Halo 6 is certain to sell less than Halo 5, but that Halo is on a decline tendency (that may have a small up bump), so it's more reasonable to expect it to not give a big boost than for it to give a big boost.

But please enlighten us with your expectations for X1 sales, X1X sales, and how much of a boost will SoT and Halo 6 give (separately)... like weekly sales on month X to Y will be about Z and after Halo 6 they will bump to W.

Because that is what SYSTEM SELLERS do. They raise the weekly sale baseline for a susteined time, or give a very big bump in a few weeks. That is basically also what price cuts does. you compare the average sale of let's say the year before, then see how much it sold in the 2-4 weeks after the price cut to see the punctual boost, and then monitor the other 30 weeks to see how much the baseline improved.

And looking at that the bump given by SoT and Halo 6 will be neglible.

Gran Turismo is still expected to be a system seller (GT5 sold over 12M and GT6 over 5M), but I don't expect GT Sport to improve PS4 sales by more than 1M on itself even if it cross 10M SW sold. And that is because the platform is already mature (even if no other GT have released).

I doubt very much that SoT will sell more than Forza, but does year releases of Forza boost X1 sales? Nope. The first FM and FH already gave the boost the franchise would give.

What logic is that based calendar only?

So Switch being weaker than X1 is on a next generation against it, but X1X running exactly the same games (back and forward compatibility) is alone in the gen against Switch? And how that makes it fair?

Pretty sure before this year it was selling at a rate that was more than the 60k a week average it's been doing right now.

Dont underestimate the Halo fanbase and Halo is a system seller regardless what you guys choose to think. I see the decline theory you guys use and thats just being 1 dementional. Halo 5 didnt do what it should have done due to its game focus. However if Halo 6 is to do worse than it has to sell less than 5m which i would be extremly suprised.

Iv worked in buisness for many years and i have lived though every console generation ever.

If a business is under there sales and lose customers yearly they dont simply close the doors and just ride the wave of shame. They find newer ways to bringing those customers back something 343 is working on with Halo 6 hence why they have been quiet about it. Nintendo did the exact same thing with the Switch from WiiU.

I am a massive fan of the Halo franchise. It's in decline since Halo 3's peak. That cannot be refuted.
Although to be fair... It is also extremely hard to top Halo 3, it was to be the ending of an awesome trilogy, showed us what the Xbox 360 could do graphically, was feature rich and an all round massive game with the marketing budget and fanbase to match.

The Master Chief Collection was a colossal failure, bug ridden, terrible mess. They actually had to port over ODST and give it away for free to make up for their failure.

Halo 5 was also underwhelming on many fronts, it's advertising campaign was not accurate to the story at all, the story itself was a mess, the graphics were mediocre... They claimed to be targeting 60fps, but many effects and animations were only 30fps... It released without staple features found in most Halo games like Forge, Theatre, Abundance of maps and more... In short. Halo 5 should have spent another year in development...
I actually grew bored of Halo 5's multiplayer before any content updates rolled out and thus I moved onto other games, they had lost me for good by that point with Halo 5, life is to short.

Halo 4 was brilliant from an artistic standpoint, although it's Multiplayer had it's shortcomings... And it's Multiplayer population did indeed implode and dwindle quickly after release, could it have been different if Bungie made Halo 4? Possibly. But I think it did well overall considering.

As for Halo 6, it does have the potential to turn it all around. I say "potential" as nothing is definitive, the game isn't released yet.. And considering the stuff ups and retconns 343i has done... Well. I hold reservations.
The Xbox One platform hasn't exactly set the world on fire, thus Halo in general has a smaller playerbase to appeal to compared to other systems, that may impact it's sales potential.

That doesn't matter. You don't know what any other user has done or lived through, thus your experience might pale in comparison to others.

I am hoping Microsoft can pull a Nintendo and make the Xbox great again, competition is a good thing for the market... But Microsoft actually has to work for it, they don't get to have a free pass.
And lets be honest, they really haven't been working for it. I have had ZERO real reasons to turn on and play my Xbox One this year since Halo Wars 2 released back in February. None at all.

Cancelling some highly praised studios like Ensemble Studios and Lionhead is not the right way to go about it, cancelling titles like Scalebound and Fable isn't bringing more exclusives to the platform.

And overall, Microsoft just hasn't been investing in games.
Where is the Xbox One equivalent of a new big AAA exclusive like Horizon Zero dawn for this generation? Or Star Citizen?

I am hoping Microsoft can reinvigorate the brand with the Xbox One X... And the abundance of exclusives that could potentially drop next year, but in 2019? Will we have a repeat of 2017? Possibly the worst year for Xbox since the Original Xbox launched in 2001, 16 years ago?

If Microsoft cannot reinvigorate the brand, then they will retain or even reduce the current low levels of investment... And Nintendo will overtake them with ease once they sort their supply constraints out, possibly within 3-4 years.
Consoles are about playing games first and foremost... Remember that.

I used the data from this site before I made my first post in this thread. Last 3 years X1 averaged 8.5MM. I don't remember what the count was up through this year, but I did put it at about 8MM so it must've been trending to that.

Are you thinking of NPD and US only sales or WW?

No mate, i think it's just funny your negatively towards the X1 brand. You want to know the truth? I couldnt care less if Xbox sells extremly well or not. However unlike you and others in this thread i dont labelled the impossible. Dont underestimate the Halo fanbase and Halo is a system seller regardless what you guys choose to think. I see the decline theory you guys use and thats just being 1 dementional. Halo 5 didnt do what it should have done due to its game focus. However if Halo 6 is to do worse than it has to sell less than 5m which i would be extremly suprised. 

Iv worked in buisness for many years and i have lived though every console generation ever. I have see alot. If a business is under there sales and lose customers yearly they dont simply close the doors and just ride the wave of shame. They find newer ways to bringing those customers back something 343 is working on with Halo 6 hence why they have been quiet about it. Nintendo did the exact same thing with the Switch from WiiU.

I laugh at the decline method. 

All in all i enjoy debates with people because people seem to be so sure of themselves. 

Go on find post of me saying other things. Message me privately when you do. You will be disapointed and probably find heaps of predictions iv been right about.

Lets not turn this thread into about me either. 

Don your history isnt great so i would be very careful ;)

Anyway you know where to find me. Leave this thread alone and let it get back on topic.