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Hiku said:
Miyamotoo said:

Eh how many games Sony released until now with metascore that are above 90? Dont forget that Mario Odyssey is almost certain 90+ game also.

Yes, because only games scoring above 90 on the meta can be considered great games worth playing.
I am about to play a game that scored 88, but thankfully I read your post first before making that mistake. I foolishly thought that it would contribute to a great 2017 experience, but now I realize my mistake and will burn this trash. Thank you.

Nobady said that, but If you have 97 game we talking about one best games ever (plenty of reviewers said that), nobody said that 88 games is bad game (lol), but fact is that Zelda BotW is much more critically acclaimed game than Horizon Zero even Horizon Zero is great game.



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guiduc said:
potato_hamster said:


It's not that I have little faith in the review system, I just understand what it is. It's mostly composed people like you and me that are decent writers and decided to play and review games for a living. That's it. As a result, I use reviews as an indicator of whether or not I will like a game, not to determine whether one game is objectively better than another. You can't remove the subjectivity out of personal preference, and I don't pretend that it can be mitigated enough to be reasonably objective.

Now you're acting like Metacritic is some kind of authority? From their FAQ

"Why don't you include my publication in your panel?

 

We are always on the lookout for new sources of quality, well-written reviews that are well regarded in the industry or among their peers. Several times throughout the year, we will re-evaulate our current group of publications and make additions and deletions to our panel if necessary. If you feel that your publication deserves inclusion among this elite group, please let us know. Remember, we are only looking for high-quality websites (or print publications).

Can you tell me how each of the different critics are weighted in your formula?

Absolutely not."


So you have a group of people that are deciding which reviews to count and which ones to ignore, and weighting them differnetly based on uhhh... erm... secret sauce. How can this be seen as even reasonably objective?

 

There is no system in itself that is fail-safe. Maybe it isn't strict enough, and maybe our industry needs to tighten up the looses in order to be considered ''more objective'' or of better quality. Why is there 108 critics out there to evaluate Breath of the Wild and 50 for a movie like Dunkerke? Maybe because we need to cut half of these. Maybe half of these shouldn't be allowed to be even considered. Maybe the selection process isn't harsh enough.

We have to make do with something. At least, for now. An average from Gamerankings, Metacritic or whatever else is better at giving a common tendency than... say... your personal opinion? Your personal opinion is the most important thing to you, but for everyone else, for someone who wants the most objective review possible, how do you do? An average can be a good way to.

My point of contention this enite thime is that "the most objective review possible" still isn't very objective at all. Even if it's the most objective we can do, that doesn't mean we should treat it as objective. Let's take Breath of the Wild again, say for every single one of those 108 sites metacritic uses that someone else in that company that like didn't game as much reviews the game instead. The metacritic score becomes 87 instead of 97. Did Breath of the Wild suddenly become a worse game? Of course not.



By the way I don't know how The Lost Legacy isn't 90+. It's at least as good as Uncharted 4.



Boutros said:
By the way I don't know how The Lost Legacy isn't 90+. It's at least as good as Uncharted 4.

I agree, it's right up there with my favorite games this year. I loved Uncharted 4, especially its story, but Lost Legacy is better paced and more exciting. 



About time they had a great year. Its been a while.



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KLXVER said:
About time they had a great year. Its been a while.

Not really, 2014 was awesome



guiduc said:
potato_hamster said:


It's not that I have little faith in the review system, I just understand what it is. It's mostly composed people like you and me that are decent writers and decided to play and review games for a living. That's it. As a result, I use reviews as an indicator of whether or not I will like a game, not to determine whether one game is objectively better than another. You can't remove the subjectivity out of personal preference, and I don't pretend that it can be mitigated enough to be reasonably objective.

Now you're acting like Metacritic is some kind of authority? From their FAQ

"Why don't you include my publication in your panel?

 

We are always on the lookout for new sources of quality, well-written reviews that are well regarded in the industry or among their peers. Several times throughout the year, we will re-evaulate our current group of publications and make additions and deletions to our panel if necessary. If you feel that your publication deserves inclusion among this elite group, please let us know. Remember, we are only looking for high-quality websites (or print publications).

Can you tell me how each of the different critics are weighted in your formula?

Absolutely not."


So you have a group of people that are deciding which reviews to count and which ones to ignore, and weighting them differnetly based on uhhh... erm... secret sauce. How can this be seen as even reasonably objective?

 

There is no system in itself that is fail-safe. Maybe it isn't strict enough, and maybe our industry needs to tighten up the looses in order to be considered ''more objective'' or of better quality. Why is there 108 critics out there to evaluate Breath of the Wild and 50 for a movie like Dunkerke? Maybe because we need to cut half of these. Maybe half of these shouldn't be allowed to be even considered. Maybe the selection process isn't harsh enough.

We have to make do with something. At least, for now. An average from Gamerankings, Metacritic or whatever else is better at giving a common tendency than... say... your personal opinion? Your personal opinion is the most important thing to you, but for everyone else, for someone who wants the most objective review possible, how do you do? An average can be a good way to.

Sorry, but a lot of people in vgc preffer to adhere to single opinion of some publication or reviewer than to the aggregated score exaclty because like that he can look to opinions of similar taste.

Boutros said:
By the way I don't know how The Lost Legacy isn't 90+. It's at least as good as Uncharted 4.

Because as some have said here metacritic is almost perfectly objetive, so TLL is inferior to UC4 in such manner that this manny points difference is necessary.



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Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

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Miyamotoo said:
Pinkie_pie said:

Imo persona 5 > zelda botw. And sony has more quality exclusives. Would you rather have zelda botw and mario odyssey or nioh, horizon, Persona 5, yakuza 0, yakuza kiwami, gravity rush 2, ff12 zodiac age, crash n sane just to name a few. 

What you personally think is totally different thing, we have scores like proof what more objectively is better. Yes Sony has more exclusives (that actualy isnt strange becuse its few years on market so has stronger support and is was 2 monts more on market than Switch this year,), but Nintendo has higher quality exclusives so far, Zelda BotW and Mario Odyssey will be above everything Sony had this year despite fact that PS4 will have tons of games this year. Also from games you mentioned only two are Sony games, so Nintendo definitely easily beate Sony in quality of games for this year.

So, why do more Sony games win GOTY awards then?



Lawlight said:
Miyamotoo said:

What you personally think is totally different thing, we have scores like proof what more objectively is better. Yes Sony has more exclusives (that actualy isnt strange becuse its few years on market so has stronger support and is was 2 monts more on market than Switch this year,), but Nintendo has higher quality exclusives so far, Zelda BotW and Mario Odyssey will be above everything Sony had this year despite fact that PS4 will have tons of games this year. Also from games you mentioned only two are Sony games, so Nintendo definitely easily beate Sony in quality of games for this year.

So, why do more Sony games win GOTY awards then?

Because some think colorful games for all ages cannot be goty, similar to why Pixar or Ghibli never gets an Oscar for best movie. This year will be different though.



Goodnightmoon said:
KLXVER said:
About time they had a great year. Its been a while.

Not really, 2014 was awesome

Yes... Thats a while ago.