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o_O.Q on 19 September 2017
Chris Hu said:
o_O.Q said:

the goal of socialism is to reduce inequality... which is the same thing as making people more equal...

So what exactly is wrong with making people more equal.  Also a lot people that are strongly opposed to socialism consider themselves Christians without realizing that Jesus was a big time socialist.

 

so... you concede that the goal of socialism is equality? because you denied it before...

 

"So what exactly is wrong with making people more equal"

 

i didn't say there was anything wrong with trying to reduce the disparity between groups of people, but this must be tempered with the understanding that people individually are different and as a result there will never be a situation where there is an equality of outcomes across people and its mindbending stupid to think that could ever be the case without every person in a society being a slave

 

furthermore equality of outcomes is not in any way to a sensible person a smart goal to move towards... all of the significant advances in our society have occured because of the individual work of brilliant individuals across time (einstein, tesla, newton etc etc etc) who throught their efforts produced ideas and technology that moved society leaps forwards

 

if you set things up so restrictions reduce what people are free to achieve down to the common demoninator what happens to that advancement?


can you point out the socialist principles of jesus? beyond that a belief system can incorporate socialist principles without the idea of equality of outcomes that makes communism such a stupid and harmful ideology



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o_O.Q on 19 September 2017
Chris Hu said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Possibly. The old adage "power corrupts" definitely has it's place in there too though. There was a lot of overthrowing of the "elite" with communist revolutions. Until those leading the revolutions realised that they were the new "elite". Much easier to demand "equality" when you're the one that would benefit from it than when it would be detrimental to you

Not really since all so called communist coutries ended up having very few rich people.  In the Soviet Union even the elite only made about three to four times as much money as the rest of the population. 

 

" In the Soviet Union even the elite only made about three to four times as much money as the rest of the population. "

 

yes which is why the elite set communism up in the soviet union... to enrich their lives at the expense of the peons who allowed them to set the system up

 

the same peons that thought for some reason that communism would make their lives better



Chris Hu on 19 September 2017
DonFerrari said:
Chris Hu said:

So what exactly is wrong with making people more equal.  Also a lot people that are strongly opposed to socialism consider themselves Christians without realizing that Jesus was a big time socialist.

Nope Jesus didn't want to overthrow Rome, nor did he wanted to FORCE others to get their things picked and distributed, he incentived solidarity and that happens a lot in capitalism.

CosmicSex said:
No one wants to live in a world where only racist comments are protected as free speech. Most institutions like this understand that students are who the serve so protecting their interests should surpass turning racists jokes into divine words of wisdom. I swear sometimes I feel like you guys think I should want to be called N***er or just have such a low opinion of myself that I am in love with racists or things with a racist context.

Except there was no joke and no racism. There were two friends teasing each other. One mocked his british accent all the time while the other said in southern accent "you want some gritty?". Where is the racist joke in this?

 

@o_O.Q  sorry lost the multiquote for you: yes macking opportunities more spread is the way.

Well first of all there is actually zero evidence that Jesus ever existed but yeah he was a big time socialist because he cared about the poor, the disabled and the disenfranchised.



o_O.Q on 19 September 2017
Chris Hu said:
DonFerrari said:

Nope Jesus didn't want to overthrow Rome, nor did he wanted to FORCE others to get their things picked and distributed, he incentived solidarity and that happens a lot in capitalism.

Except there was no joke and no racism. There were two friends teasing each other. One mocked his british accent all the time while the other said in southern accent "you want some gritty?". Where is the racist joke in this?

 

@o_O.Q  sorry lost the multiquote for you: yes macking opportunities more spread is the way.

Well first of all there is actually zero evidence that Jesus ever existed but yeah he was a big time socialist because he cared about the poor, the disabled and the disenfranchised.

 

wow... so i can't own a business and care for poor people?

lol



Chris Hu on 19 September 2017
o_O.Q said:
Chris Hu said:

Not really since all so called communist coutries ended up having very few rich people.  In the Soviet Union even the elite only made about three to four times as much money as the rest of the population. 

 

" In the Soviet Union even the elite only made about three to four times as much money as the rest of the population. "

 

yes which is why the elite set communism up in the soviet union... to enrich their lives at the expense of the peons who allowed them to set the system up

 

the same peons that thought for some reason that communism would make their lives better

Yeah what you just said makes zero sense if the elite would be in charge of making up a system it would be complete free market capitalism with zero rules and regulations that way there is no limit on how much wealth they can accumulate or how much more they can earn compared to the rest of the population or how much they can screw over people that make a whole lot less then they do.



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VGPolyglot on 19 September 2017
Chris Hu said:
DonFerrari said:

Nope Jesus didn't want to overthrow Rome, nor did he wanted to FORCE others to get their things picked and distributed, he incentived solidarity and that happens a lot in capitalism.

Except there was no joke and no racism. There were two friends teasing each other. One mocked his british accent all the time while the other said in southern accent "you want some gritty?". Where is the racist joke in this?

 

@o_O.Q  sorry lost the multiquote for you: yes macking opportunities more spread is the way.

Well first of all there is actually zero evidence that Jesus ever existed but yeah he was a big time socialist because he cared about the poor, the disabled and the disenfranchised.

We don't have any evidence Jesus existed? I believe he existed, and I think there are records of that, but other than that we know nothing else. Socialism wasn't even a concept at the time, so much in the same way that you can't call him a capitalist, you can't really call him a socialist.



o_O.Q on 19 September 2017
Chris Hu said:
o_O.Q said:

 

" In the Soviet Union even the elite only made about three to four times as much money as the rest of the population. "

 

yes which is why the elite set communism up in the soviet union... to enrich their lives at the expense of the peons who allowed them to set the system up

 

the same peons that thought for some reason that communism would make their lives better

Yeah what you just said makes zero sense if the elite would be in charge of making up a system it would be complete free market capitalism with zero rules and regulations that way there is no limit on how much wealth they can accumulate or how much more they can earn compared to the rest of the population or how much they can screw over people that make a whole lot less then they do.

 

" it would be complete free market capitalism with zero rules and regulations that way there is no limit on how much wealth they can accumulate"

 

so people can challenge them through working hard?

and if its free market what is stopping the other individuals in the society from working hard and gaining their own piece of the wealth of the nation?

 

"that way there is no limit on how much wealth they can accumulate"

 

if the elite are the ones running the communist system which inevitably happens why would they limit themselves? does it not occur to you that someone has to be at the head of the communist system? why would that person put limitations on themself?

 

what really happens is that the limitations of the communist system all fall on the regular people of the society and they are used to funnel resources back to the elite, which is the reason for the communist system to start with... its like what happened under the monarchies of the past to the peasants

 

"how much they can screw over people that make a whole lot less then they do."

 

how can they screw over people under a free market where there are no restrictions? can you explain that?



DonFerrari on 19 September 2017
Chris Hu said:
DonFerrari said:

Nope Jesus didn't want to overthrow Rome, nor did he wanted to FORCE others to get their things picked and distributed, he incentived solidarity and that happens a lot in capitalism.

Except there was no joke and no racism. There were two friends teasing each other. One mocked his british accent all the time while the other said in southern accent "you want some gritty?". Where is the racist joke in this?

 

@o_O.Q  sorry lost the multiquote for you: yes macking opportunities more spread is the way.

Well first of all there is actually zero evidence that Jesus ever existed but yeah he was a big time socialist because he cared about the poor, the disabled and the disenfranchised.

I'm atheist, but you were the one claiming he was socialist.

Caring about the poor, disabled and all else and giving yourself to that cause is called charity not socialism. Socialism is demanding that others do it, and they usually are the biggest hypocrites since they preach it but keep their richness to themselves.

o_O.Q said:
Chris Hu said:

Yeah what you just said makes zero sense if the elite would be in charge of making up a system it would be complete free market capitalism with zero rules and regulations that way there is no limit on how much wealth they can accumulate or how much more they can earn compared to the rest of the population or how much they can screw over people that make a whole lot less then they do.

 

" it would be complete free market capitalism with zero rules and regulations that way there is no limit on how much wealth they can accumulate"

 

so people can challenge them through working hard?

and if its free market what is stopping the other individuals in the society from working hard and gaining their own piece of the wealth of the nation?

 

"that way there is no limit on how much wealth they can accumulate"

 

if the elite are the ones running the communist system which inevitably happens why would they limit themselves? does it not occur to you that someone has to be at the head of the communist system? why would that person put limitations on themself?

 

what really happens is that the limitations of the communist system all fall on the regular people of the society and they are used to funnel resources back to the elite, which is the reason for the communist system to start with... its like what happened under the monarchies of the past to the peasants

 

"how much they can screw over people that make a whole lot less then they do."

 

how can they screw over people under a free market where there are no restrictions? can you explain that?

And as far as I remember most of the powerfull, rich and billionaires on the end of ex-URSS had ties to the top brass and were involved in the black market allowed by those top brass to benefit themselves.

And I rather have Bill Gates making 100000x more than me and I still living plenty than have Boris earn 4x more than me and I starve, inequality isn't the real enemy as we both agreed and Chris try to deny.

And you put it very well that without the incentive to excell there is no progress. Capitalism is based not only in excell but also on making what the market needs and attending those demands earn you money, so basically most people that got rich (outside of corruption and crime) were providing value and improvement to the world and deserved their money.

Capitalism in 200 years improved standard of lifes uncomparably more than the 20000 years before it. The king of xix century lived worse than a poor people (that isn't starving) of today.

Case in point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbkSRLYSojo



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Chris Hu on 19 September 2017
VGPolyglot said:
Chris Hu said:

Well first of all there is actually zero evidence that Jesus ever existed but yeah he was a big time socialist because he cared about the poor, the disabled and the disenfranchised.

We don't have any evidence Jesus existed? I believe he existed, and I think there are records of that, but other than that we know nothing else. Socialism wasn't even a concept at the time, so much in the same way that you can't call him a capitalist, you can't really call him a socialist.

Well there is actually zero first hand accounts from the time when he supossed to have lived that mention him.  Plus none of the gospels that where written about him are by people that actually knew him.  As a matter of fact with a bit of research you can debunk most of the stuff that is written in the Bible.  As for socilasm the concept goes back thousand of years.  Just like the concept of democracy pre dates the Greek.



o_O.Q on 19 September 2017
DonFerrari said:
Chris Hu said:

Well first of all there is actually zero evidence that Jesus ever existed but yeah he was a big time socialist because he cared about the poor, the disabled and the disenfranchised.

I'm atheist, but you were the one claiming he was socialist.

Caring about the poor, disabled and all else and giving yourself to that cause is called charity not socialism. Socialism is demanding that others do it, and they usually are the biggest hypocrites since they preach it but keep their richness to themselves.

o_O.Q said:

 

" it would be complete free market capitalism with zero rules and regulations that way there is no limit on how much wealth they can accumulate"

 

so people can challenge them through working hard?

and if its free market what is stopping the other individuals in the society from working hard and gaining their own piece of the wealth of the nation?

 

"that way there is no limit on how much wealth they can accumulate"

 

if the elite are the ones running the communist system which inevitably happens why would they limit themselves? does it not occur to you that someone has to be at the head of the communist system? why would that person put limitations on themself?

 

what really happens is that the limitations of the communist system all fall on the regular people of the society and they are used to funnel resources back to the elite, which is the reason for the communist system to start with... its like what happened under the monarchies of the past to the peasants

 

"how much they can screw over people that make a whole lot less then they do."

 

how can they screw over people under a free market where there are no restrictions? can you explain that?

And as far as I remember most of the powerfull, rich and billionaires on the end of ex-URSS had ties to the top brass and were involved in the black market allowed by those top brass to benefit themselves.

And I rather have Bill Gates making 100000x more than me and I still living plenty than have Boris earn 4x more than me and I starve, inequality isn't the real enemy as we both agreed and Chris try to deny.

And you put it very well that without the incentive to excell there is no progress. Capitalism is based not only in excell but also on making what the market needs and attending those demands earn you money, so basically most people that got rich (outside of corruption and crime) were providing value and improvement to the world and deserved their money.

Capitalism in 200 years improved standard of lifes uncomparably more than the 20000 years before it. The king of xix century lived worse than a poor people (that isn't starving) of today.

exactly the peasants that lived under the monarchies of the past (similar in my opinion to what communism really is code for) suffered for centuries with no hope of advancement till the era of the enlightenment came which put emphasis on the importance of the liberty of the individual and independence

 

the ancestors of the people of most of the western nations fought to give the people of western nations the chance to live outside of the oppressive rule of something like communism or feudalism, where people actually have a chance for improvement

 

and now many people for some reason(stupidity presumably) are ready to throw that away and become peasants again... its so bizarre to me that i just can't wrap my head around it