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Ka-pi96 said:
Insidb said:

And Bradley Manning had her fellowship revoked from Harvard, due to establishment pressure: insanity!

There's girls called Bradley? :O

Yeah, it's complicated.



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DonFerrari said:
jardesonbarbosa said:
Racist joke in 2017? Seriously, why? I can't with some people.

There were no joke... one friend asked the other in southern accent "do you want some grit?".  The girl was mos likely doing false reporting. And you see the college ended up paying for an agreement basically because they knew it would be bad PR.

Machiavellian said:

People get fired like this all the time.  2 friends could be making a joke at work together, one is white and one is black.  Both of them are alright about what is said whether it has racial meaning or not.  Someone walks by and hear the jokes and get offended.  Next thing you know one of the 2 or both get fired.  In corporate America, you have to be very careful about what you say especially when it comes to jokes.  They now have these video sessions on harassment on the subject.  It sucks but you have to read the employee manual which no one ever does.

Except in this case there wasn't even a joke.

And the criticism is against the employeer behavior on it.

Thats a policy issue.  In other words, if someone makes a complaint, the due process would be to validate if the complaint is correct.  If someone makes a false complaint, then that person should be fired.  Just like making a false fire alarm.



Machiavellian said:
DonFerrari said:

There were no joke... one friend asked the other in southern accent "do you want some grit?".  The girl was mos likely doing false reporting. And you see the college ended up paying for an agreement basically because they knew it would be bad PR.

Except in this case there wasn't even a joke.

And the criticism is against the employeer behavior on it.

Thats a policy issue.  In other words, if someone makes a complaint, the due process would be to validate if the complaint is correct.  If someone makes a false complaint, then that person should be fired.  Just like making a false fire alarm.

And that is the problem and criticism... there wasn't due process. The guy was immediately fired.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

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Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

So, the black guy can make fun of his British accent and not be labeled racist, but if his white British friend makes fun of his southern accent, the British guy is labeled a racist.Hmmm... Talk about flawed logic right there. I don't think either of them is racist btw, friends make these kinds of jokes all time.



jonager said:

So, the black guy can make fun of his British accent and not be labeled racist, but if his white British friend makes fun of his southern accent, the British guy is labeled a racist.Hmmm... Talk about flawed logic right there. I don't think either of them is racist btw, friends make these kinds of jokes all time.

If it was a white southern American guy and a black British guy do you think the same logic would still apply?



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DonFerrari said:
Leadified said:

Then the Soviet Union was not opposed to capitalism either since it's economy was run by state capitalist enterprises for the majority of it's history.

That is the slidesloope that will lead to apologetics that claim "comunism was never attempted, so you can't say it gone wrong"

Well true commuism is pretty much unoptainable.  The end goal of the Soviet Union was to eventually transform towards true commuism but it collapesed long before even comming close and in the end capitalism won.



DonFerrari said:
Machiavellian said:

Thats a policy issue.  In other words, if someone makes a complaint, the due process would be to validate if the complaint is correct.  If someone makes a false complaint, then that person should be fired.  Just like making a false fire alarm.

And that is the problem and criticism... there wasn't due process. The guy was immediately fired.

Yes, but is it news.  In other words, people get wrongful termination all the time.  Its up to the person who got fired to go through the process.  In some states, a company can fire you for anything, there needs be no reason.  This guy could have been easily setup and depending on the state it really doesn't matter.  The thing is, whether the company did a due process or not really depends on the state and the company policy within their employee handbook.  In the end, not sure if this is news or even new.



Chris Hu said:
DonFerrari said:

That is the slidesloope that will lead to apologetics that claim "comunism was never attempted, so you can't say it gone wrong"

Well true commuism is pretty much unopotainable.  The end goal of the Soviet Union was to eventually transform towards true commuism but it collapesed long before even comming close and in the end capitalism won.

First I see unopotainable and thought it was my lack of vocabulary, but the meaning seemed close to unobtainable, is that it?

But yes you are right that "real comunism" is unatainable, but even the though of "forcing everyone to be equal" is also wrong... but the phrase in itself is that it's wrong to forcibly take something from someone and give another just that everyone have the same.

Machiavellian said:
DonFerrari said:

And that is the problem and criticism... there wasn't due process. The guy was immediately fired.

Yes, but is it news.  In other words, people get wrongful termination all the time.  Its up to the person who got fired to go through the process.  In some states, a company can fire you for anything, there needs be no reason.  This guy could have been easily setup and depending on the state it really doesn't matter.  The thing is, whether the company did a due process or not really depends on the state and the company policy within their employee handbook.  In the end, not sure if this is news or even new.

No it isn't new... but the comment and spin is valid... if someone complained in the school that a teacher was mocking the heritage of Red necks, KKK, Confederates and etc, the person would probably be told "to fuck off". But in this case just a miss report with ill intetions warranted a summary termination.

Yes companies doesn't need to give a reason in Brazil as well (but several cases this type of termination gets invalidated), but when you do give a reason and it seems like any type of prosecution than you may have an issue with the termination.

And even thought companies can fire without "reason" there is always a reason, unless the boss is completely obtuse no one fire an employee just for pleasure because that will have an impact on the business... so any inteligent firing have to weight pros and cons, impacts before decided.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

DonFerrari said:
Chris Hu said:

Well true commuism is pretty much unopotainable.  The end goal of the Soviet Union was to eventually transform towards true commuism but it collapesed long before even comming close and in the end capitalism won.

First I see unopotainable and thought it was my lack of vocabulary, but the meaning seemed close to unobtainable, is that it?

But yes you are right that "real comunism" is unatainable, but even the though of "forcing everyone to be equal" is also wrong... but the phrase in itself is that it's wrong to forcibly take something from someone and give another just that everyone have the same.

Machiavellian said:

Yes, but is it news.  In other words, people get wrongful termination all the time.  Its up to the person who got fired to go through the process.  In some states, a company can fire you for anything, there needs be no reason.  This guy could have been easily setup and depending on the state it really doesn't matter.  The thing is, whether the company did a due process or not really depends on the state and the company policy within their employee handbook.  In the end, not sure if this is news or even new.

No it isn't new... but the comment and spin is valid... if someone complained in the school that a teacher was mocking the heritage of Red necks, KKK, Confederates and etc, the person would probably be told "to fuck off". But in this case just a miss report with ill intetions warranted a summary termination.

Yes companies doesn't need to give a reason in Brazil as well (but several cases this type of termination gets invalidated), but when you do give a reason and it seems like any type of prosecution than you may have an issue with the termination.

And even thought companies can fire without "reason" there is always a reason, unless the boss is completely obtuse no one fire an employee just for pleasure because that will have an impact on the business... so any inteligent firing have to weight pros and cons, impacts before decided.

Well Maoist China in the beginning maybe came somewhat close to being a real communist the country. China was devasted by Japan during WWII so it was pretty classless, even before the war there wheren't many rich people in China due to Western colonialism but they still had a currency and having no money is one of the key aspects of real communism.  Plus once the opened up to the West, China became quickly very capitalistic.  As far as the Soviets go they never really considered themselves true communist even Lenin himself said that they only achieved State Capitalism but not true communism.



Chris Hu said:
DonFerrari said:

First I see unopotainable and thought it was my lack of vocabulary, but the meaning seemed close to unobtainable, is that it?

But yes you are right that "real comunism" is unatainable, but even the though of "forcing everyone to be equal" is also wrong... but the phrase in itself is that it's wrong to forcibly take something from someone and give another just that everyone have the same.

No it isn't new... but the comment and spin is valid... if someone complained in the school that a teacher was mocking the heritage of Red necks, KKK, Confederates and etc, the person would probably be told "to fuck off". But in this case just a miss report with ill intetions warranted a summary termination.

Yes companies doesn't need to give a reason in Brazil as well (but several cases this type of termination gets invalidated), but when you do give a reason and it seems like any type of prosecution than you may have an issue with the termination.

And even thought companies can fire without "reason" there is always a reason, unless the boss is completely obtuse no one fire an employee just for pleasure because that will have an impact on the business... so any inteligent firing have to weight pros and cons, impacts before decided.

Well Maoist China in the beginning maybe came somewhat close to being a real communist the country. China was devasted by Japan during WWII so it was pretty classless, even before the war there wheren't many rich people in China due to Western colonialism but they still had a currency and having no money is one of the key aspects of real communism.  Plus once the opened up to the West, China became quickly very capitalistic.  As far as the Soviets go they never really considered themselves true communist even Lenin himself said that they only achieved State Capitalism but not true communism.

On that we would be talking semantics... but we all know the main reason socialism and comunism wouldn't work is because people doesn't want to be equal.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994