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ArchangelMadzz on 11 September 2017
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
TargaryenVers2 said:
How many people defending this are black themselves? How many people defending this have been called a slur in a hateful way simply for the color of their skin, or orientation, or some other thing out of their control? How many people defending this know the power and historical connotations that the word has and why the use of it is incredibly insensitive and cruel?

Freedom of speech extends to the government having no power against these incidences, as it should be, but a civilized society works together to make sure there's a level of civility that is expected from major voices of society.

Oh shut up. This whole idea that you have to be actively persecuted to have a real opinion on a word is just stupid. You might not have said that, but that's what you're saying in a round about way. Besides, I don't think Black people actually care about the word much, since they use it in almost every rap song ever. And don't tell me that "They're giving power to the opressive word!" shit. If rappers can understand that the N-word(sorry Louis CK, I don't know the forum rules here) is fine in a certain context, then they can understand that for people of other races. People only care about the word whe it's 1 ) convenient to use to get mad at figures or 2 ) actually offensive, and I don't think this is a case of the latter. Do I think it should be said in every day vernacular? No, but I don't think Pewdiepie is a worse person for saying it.

News just in, all black people are rappers. 

 

I'm joking I know that's not what you meant, but not all black people,say 'Nigga' I don't know how many you're actually close to but saying that black people say it all the time is a clear sign that you don't actually hang around with a lot of black people. 

 

Even if someone does, it's similar to 'i can hit my little brother but if you do I'll kill you' 



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AngryLittleAlchemist on 11 September 2017
ArchangelMadzz said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Oh shut up. This whole idea that you have to be actively persecuted to have a real opinion on a word is just stupid. You might not have said that, but that's what you're saying in a round about way. Besides, I don't think Black people actually care about the word much, since they use it in almost every rap song ever. And don't tell me that "They're giving power to the opressive word!" shit. If rappers can understand that the N-word(sorry Louis CK, I don't know the forum rules here) is fine in a certain context, then they can understand that for people of other races. People only care about the word whe it's 1 ) convenient to use to get mad at figures or 2 ) actually offensive, and I don't think this is a case of the latter. Do I think it should be said in every day vernacular? No, but I don't think Pewdiepie is a worse person for saying it.

News just in, all black people are rappers. 

 

I'm joking I know that's not what you meant, but not all black people,say 'Nigga' I don't know how many you're actually close to but saying that black people say it all the time is a clear sign that you don't actually hang around with a lot of black people. 

 

Even if someone does, it's similar to 'i can hit my little brother but if you do I'll kill you' 

Okay, go ahead and stretch my point out till it seems as ridiculous as possible : ) You either didn't get the memo at all or need to learn what an "example" is

It doesn't matter if a rapper uses it, or if a black person uses it. It's just an example. The point is the context. If people are able to listen to a black person say  nigga, or say the N word with a hard R, and in a lot of scenarios aren't offended due to context, they should be able to understand that a streamer screaming it when getting upset isn't racism due to the context. Are we really going to pretend like context isn't important? It absolutely is. Believing that doesn't mean I don't hang out with black people or have a limited experience with them. Anecdotal evidence is hardly good anyways, and I don't count people as examples for my argument but rather as people. What Pewdiepie said wasn't right in the context of society, but I don't think he's racist, or a bad person for saying it.



IkePoR on 11 September 2017

I'm curious - what is the context of the sentence "what a fucking nigger"? If I'm using context clues, he follows up with "what an asshole", leading to the assumption that the words "nigger" and "asshole" are interchangeable, which would remove any racial context from this use.

In theory.



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vivster on 11 September 2017
Peh said:
Aura7541 said:

It's also a matter of how that word is being used. Using the N word as an insult towards a black person and using the N word to cuss have different intentions and effects.

And yes, I also find it silly to be super offended over a slur. I've been called a chink multiple times in the past and I just shrug it off. The people who throw the slur quickly give up because my lack of response ruins their fun.

You also have to take into account that he has over 50 million subscribers. And who knows how many of those are looking up to him. Even if the intention of him using the word wasn't meant to be racist, some will adapt it and use it without knowing the meaning behind it or not being able to understand why it can be offensive.

 

And your aren't comparing some random people cursing at you on the street with a popular one, aren't you?

If his followers are starting to use that word without knowing the meaning behind it it's still not racist or harmful.

If anything it will finally weaken the ridiculous arbitrary power of that word.



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TargaryenVers2 on 11 September 2017
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
TargaryenVers2 said:
How many people defending this are black themselves? How many people defending this have been called a slur in a hateful way simply for the color of their skin, or orientation, or some other thing out of their control? How many people defending this know the power and historical connotations that the word has and why the use of it is incredibly insensitive and cruel?

Freedom of speech extends to the government having no power against these incidences, as it should be, but a civilized society works together to make sure there's a level of civility that is expected from major voices of society.

Oh shut up. This whole idea that you have to be actively persecuted to have a real opinion on a word is just stupid. You might not have said that, but that's what you're saying in a round about way. Besides, I don't think Black people actually care about the word much, since they use it in almost every rap song ever. And don't tell me that "They're giving power to the opressive word!" shit. If rappers can understand that the N-word(sorry Louis CK, I don't know the forum rules here) is fine in a certain context, then they can understand that for people of other races. People only care about the word whe it's 1 ) convenient to use to get mad at figures or 2 ) actually offensive, and I don't think this is a case of the latter. Do I think it should be said in every day vernacular? No, but I don't think Pewdiepie is a worse person for saying it.

I'm saying people who have experiences hurt and discrimination from those words know the connotations and the hurt mroeso than people that aren't part of that group. As a gay man hearing the word faggot has a much different impact than it would to you. And it wasn't used as a joke or to make a point/commentary, it was out of anger and rage, which is worse

 

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Peh on 11 September 2017
vivster said:
Peh said:

You also have to take into account that he has over 50 million subscribers. And who knows how many of those are looking up to him. Even if the intention of him using the word wasn't meant to be racist, some will adapt it and use it without knowing the meaning behind it or not being able to understand why it can be offensive.

 

And your aren't comparing some random people cursing at you on the street with a popular one, aren't you?

If his followers are starting to use that word without knowing the meaning behind it it's still not racist or harmful.

If anything it will finally weaken the ridiculous arbitrary power of that word.

I don't agree with you. I suppose you weren't personally insulted with racial slurs because of where you are coming from. I don't think they are weaken down the more you say it.



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IkePoR on 11 September 2017
vivster said:
Peh said:

You also have to take into account that he has over 50 million subscribers. And who knows how many of those are looking up to him. Even if the intention of him using the word wasn't meant to be racist, some will adapt it and use it without knowing the meaning behind it or not being able to understand why it can be offensive.

 

And your aren't comparing some random people cursing at you on the street with a popular one, aren't you?

If his followers are starting to use that word without knowing the meaning behind it it's still not racist or harmful.

If anything it will finally weaken the ridiculous arbitrary power of that word.

While I agree with you, I think the human condition just isn't capable of that.  Any historically significant event has trigger words associated with them - 9/11; Holocaust; Crusades, etc.  While arbitrary, it's significance is too ingrained into society to simply remove the negative connotations with which they associate. You're not likely to mention 9/11 at a dinner party without killing the vibe. It's no different than how the human brain remembers negativity far clearer than positivity.  Despite the brain's incredible capacity and potential, it is still incredibly flawed in a way that we can't alter.



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AngryLittleAlchemist on 11 September 2017
TargaryenVers2 said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Oh shut up. This whole idea that you have to be actively persecuted to have a real opinion on a word is just stupid. You might not have said that, but that's what you're saying in a round about way. Besides, I don't think Black people actually care about the word much, since they use it in almost every rap song ever. And don't tell me that "They're giving power to the opressive word!" shit. If rappers can understand that the N-word(sorry Louis CK, I don't know the forum rules here) is fine in a certain context, then they can understand that for people of other races. People only care about the word whe it's 1 ) convenient to use to get mad at figures or 2 ) actually offensive, and I don't think this is a case of the latter. Do I think it should be said in every day vernacular? No, but I don't think Pewdiepie is a worse person for saying it.

I'm saying people who have experiences hurt and discrimination from those words know the connotations and the hurt mroeso than people that aren't part of that group. As a gay man hearing the word faggot has a much different impact than it would to you. And it wasn't used as a joke or to make a point/commentary, it was out of anger and rage, which is worse

 

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No it wouldn't.



vivster on 11 September 2017
Peh said:
vivster said:

If his followers are starting to use that word without knowing the meaning behind it it's still not racist or harmful.

If anything it will finally weaken the ridiculous arbitrary power of that word.

I don't agree with you. I suppose you weren't personally insulted with racial slurs because of where you are coming from. I don't think they are weaken down the more you say it.

I think they are. Look at what words are completely normal now that would have been scandalous just 30 years ago. If you use a word often enough it completely loses its power and sometimes even loses or changes its meaning.

Sadly in today's society we kinda see a reverse trend of that with people giving more and more power to words to appeal to their peers. Words are only powerful because people say they are, making them even more powerful. Nigger isn't even really a word anymore but a mere trigger or talking point. People use it to offend in the general sense and rarely for its actual meaning. If people stop being offended by it it will completely lose its power and people will move on to other words.

But it seems people just don't want to let go. The word nigger has become the strongest tool for both sides because of that. It's an arms race that nobody wins.



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TargaryenVers2 on 11 September 2017
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
TargaryenVers2 said:

I'm saying people who have experiences hurt and discrimination from those words know the connotations and the hurt mroeso than people that aren't part of that group. As a gay man hearing the word faggot has a much different impact than it would to you. And it wasn't used as a joke or to make a point/commentary, it was out of anger and rage, which is worse

 

Also short of a ban, you can't make me shut up

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No it wouldn't.

OK, tell me the impact it would have on you and I'll share what impact it would have on me



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