So, another question, do you consider yourself a progressive?

That's a fairly arbitrary evaluation, don't you think? When do you think that we've achieved a fair playing field? Context can create inequity without there being any judicial inequality.

By any metric, equality should NEVER be a goal in itself. We must strive for collective improvemnt. It is of course logical to help the least fortunate, seeing as that is where the most progress can be made. However, permitting injustice against individuals for the sole sake of satisfying egalitarian quotias between social groups is purely absurd, and morally corrupt.

Basing justice on the treatment of *groups* of people is ALWAYS a mistake. Every person has the right to be treated as an individual on none other than his own merits. What you are suggesting is creating *further* injustice against individuals to compensate inustice within groups, something that CANNOT be accepted, in any circumsatnce.

A nationalist-progressive

What is that supposed to mean?

It's pretty hilarious that people are interpreting this post as being serious.

It's less hilarious that once you get past their deliberately obscure language, this is basically what a lot of apparently very well-educated people believe. And it's even less hilarious that those people see themselves as "liberal".

It is one thing to do so when describing yourself, another when judging others. As a tool to describe your current positions quickly, sure. But unless specifically stated, judging a person based on the actions of a group, without having confirmed their support of these actions, is one of the larger problems, for me. For example, people used the car incident in Charlottesville to accuse *all* on the right of the political spectrum. And that's something that happens constantly, put forward by all sides, and has become a major factor in american political "debate", been reduced to a shouting match, calling each other terrorist-sympatithizers, nazis, etc...

I feel that it is crucial to a good political discussion that people criticize the postiton currently being discussed, and absolutely nothing else. When you call Contestgamer a SJW/progressive, it definitely feels like you are attempting to accuse him of more than he specifically stated.

On another note, would be curious where you would classify me. I don't believe in any fundemental moral absolutes, including equality or liberty - anything can be morally ok for me in the right context, as long as it clearly improves the lives of people in average, in both short and long term. I'm skeptical on abortion, and would, out of precaution, be against it in practice. I believe that each person has the right *not* to be judged for decisions that only affect himself (homosexuality, transgender), the obligation to accomodate does not exist, however, beyond the usual responsibilities we have to each other. I do believe that we have the right to breach the liberties of others in the context that it improves global life quality, including the person himself (ex: right to stop a suicide, right to stop operations on a person which are not to his benifit.) I'm deeply anti-nationalist, and believe in global cooperation.a I'm against any form of punitive justice. I support the free market in the context of its capabilities to maximize productivity. I support government control in areas where it shows clear benefit to the order of society, including a monopole on violence and (this is a bit of a contreversial one - but my position is quite complex, here, thought about it a lot) censorship.

Liberalism, or at least "progressivism" I've discovered more and more is just full of hypocracy, and isn't in fact progressive at all, but actually REgressive.. They've in many ways become exactly what the claimed to once stand against, and more. That's why I've long since let liberalism go, and gone more towards classical liberal/libertarianism.

Liberalism, or at least "progressivism" I've discovered more and more is just full of hypocracy, and isn't in fact progressive at all, but actually REgressive.. They've in many ways become exactly what the claimed to once stand against, and more. That's why I've long since let liberalism go, and gone more towards classical liberal/libertarianism.