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Should I have been harsh?

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IkePoR said:
Aeolus451 said:

You're right about rape and holocause being dark but the rest sounds edgy or anti-pc.

It's his way of going about this "humor."  He's not trying to be funny, he doesn't tell a dark joke.  As AngryLittleAlchemist said, he's trying to use raunch and "edgyness" as a replacement for a personality.  

Back to Layton though, as some have said, you're not this guy's mentor.  You're not there to "save" anyone(lest you are a missionary and chose to withold this fact).  Though it seems with you texting now, the rule has applied that usually applies - you made your mind up before starting this thread and just wanted assurance that you made the right choice.

Are you so sure? I think that he made friends or found some success with people by using comedy so he overuses it. It's also likely he doesn't realize that there's people out that who don't like his sense of humour or people who don't llike humor in general. There's also people who are just oversensitive about edgy stuff especially at colleges. 



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From my experience, dark type humor is a very cultural thing, some countries take a much bigger offense to it than others. The U.S in particular is very polarized, when a movie or a TV show says it is "fine" but in a real life conversation is almost like a taboo.

In any case, dark humor is a difficult subject, you either hate it or love it, however, in the case of the people that enjoy it (myself included) you have to be careful and only tell it to people you trust and you know aren't going to take offense.

I think you should have told the guy to knock it off as soon as he started to tell the first offensive jokes, it has happened to me, when I get little bit of trust on someone and I tell a dark joke and I see they took offense or told me "not cool" then I stopped completely and I know from now on to be careful of what I say with that person specifically. Any person mature enough knows when to quit it.



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N word and rape jokes are definitely not cool for most people. So I think it is right to set him straight. When someone called me a really offensive derogatory word I do have flashes of anger and try to set the person straight. Of course any lesser word I laugh and just say whatever. But you got to set boundaries.



You should drink a few beers and play some video games. Next time you see the dude, you should tell him to drink some beers and play some video games too. All problems are now solved.



monocle_layton said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:




I legit feel bad for the dude. He is probably a lonely person with no friends who only knows how to communicate with jokes because he doesn't have anything interesting about him aside from that. I love dark humor, there have probably even been times where I've inserted jokes into conversations that didn't need them. I think it's fine to be honest with someone and say that the friendship won't work out. But you probably destroyed him. I guess you have to do what's best for you though, god knows bad jokes are the worst. I could be wrong though, since you probably don't know his personal life much. I just know that in High School, I resorted to being a class clown to get any interaction I could. And if I was in college right now I'd probably do the same.

After talking to him I realized that's the case. I suppose I want him to know that no matter how harsh I may be with someone, it's only because I believe they can improve. 

 

I had to deal with people talking smack about me, and it hurt. If he's willing to start a convo. with me and apologize, then I'm going to help.

Is the people talking smack about you related, or are you saying that's why you're careful around people? Either way, I'm glad things can improve and I hope you guys at least become decent friends. Of course the fault isn't yours at all, I hope my comment wasn't too imposing. I just think for people like him, that one guy, even if the feeling isn't replicated, is on a much higher level of appreciation than vice versa. If that makes sense?

Also, I guess I'm kind of a hypocrite, because when I was like 11, this kid on the playground who was my friend said he would fuck my mom. We were kind of fighting for no reason, and that pretty much sealed the deal that I wasn't his friend anymore. Thinking back on it, he was much more  mature than me from a vocabulary standpoint I guessk, where saying something like that wasn't ultra offensive. But I still felt like an 8 year old would, xD 



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Aeolus451 said:
monocle_layton said:

It's not that i dislike when people have jokes i don't find funny. I don't find Kevin Hart to be hilarious, but I don't mind if I hear his jokes

 

I also don't have a problem with dark humour, but when he forces it in every conversation (even when I try to have a simple conversation), him believing that randomly blurting out 'ni**er' to me on school campus is funny was enough to piss me off.

 

He texted me about twenty minutes ago, and I think people have a point. The dude probably does struggle with finding a friend, and I might just continue to put up with him. We're still talking, and he seems to finally be opening up a bit.

 

I'm not sure if what I did was perfect, but it's allowed me to reach the dude. I'd rather have him be confronted and help him improve than allow him to simply be rejected and see him not change. 

 

Regardless of what I said to him, I don't believe abandoning him is the smart step. I'm gonna move past what we both did and help him get back on track. 

Perhaps he doesn't need help, perhaps he's looking for another a friend who's not judgemental. Honestly, you're looking down at him with this "he doesn't have friends" or "He's the lonely type or loser". Alot of people in this thread are giving you asshole advice over some jokes a guy told. If you accepted that his sense of humour/funny wasn't funny, you wouldn't try to change him or fix him. You would just tell him you don't like his edgy humor and that's that. If you're gonna look down at him or fix, save him the trouble, don't be "friends" with him. If you want to be geniune friends with him, accept him as is.

With him randomly texting me a few hours ago, I think it's past me trying to fix nothing. As I said, he isn't some loser with nothing good. I don't think I'll lose anything by helping him.

IkePoR said:
Aeolus451 said:

You're right about rape and holocause being dark but the rest sounds edgy or anti-pc.

It's his way of going about this "humor."  He's not trying to be funny, he doesn't tell a dark joke.  As AngryLittleAlchemist said, he's trying to use raunch and "edgyness" as a replacement for a personality.  

Back to Layton though, as some have said, you're not this guy's mentor.  You're not there to "save" anyone(lest you are a missionary and chose to withold this fact).  Though it seems with you texting now, the rule has applied that usually applies - you made your mind up before starting this thread and just wanted assurance that you made the right choice.

I was actually waiting to see what people thought of the situation. People have criticized my harsh approach, some people thought I should've stopped talking to him, and a few others offered other advice.

 

I think blocking him would be a complete dickish thing to do, so by now I'll ride this out and maybe update in a month or two if it gets interesting. It'd be different if I initiated the message, but he's the one who started it.

 

Would the right thing be for me to have block and ignore him? 

Mystro-Sama said:
monocle_layton said:

Real life. He then texted me recently online.

I gave him my number a few days after meeting him, but we never texted, so it did surprise me when he randomly sent a message

So he just randomly came up to you and knew who you were?

We share a class, and he must have heard my name and approached me. I'm not sure why he picked me in particular. 

Farsala said:
N word and rape jokes are definitely not cool for most people. So I think it is right to set him straight. When someone called me a really offensive derogatory word I do have flashes of anger and try to set the person straight. Of course any lesser word I laugh and just say whatever. But you got to set boundaries.

As of now I'm simply thinking of what boundaries i should set to never have this happen again. I took most people's advice into consideration. 

 

I think my biggest mistake was having him believe it was acceptable since day 1. Perhaps he would've stopped if I said something prior to the extreme



VAMatt said:
You should drink a few beers and play some video games. Next time you see the dude, you should tell him to drink some beers and play some video games too. All problems are now solved.

I had a talk with him online with no bullshit. No yelling, no dark humour, and no petty responses.

 

I'm probably not gonna post everything, but I've learned more about why he is like this. It takes vulnerable moments such as these before most people change. 

 

He loves dark humour, and that's alright. All he honestly needs to learn is when to use it at the right time.

AngryLittleAlchemist said:
monocle_layton said:

After talking to him I realized that's the case. I suppose I want him to know that no matter how harsh I may be with someone, it's only because I believe they can improve. 

 

I had to deal with people talking smack about me, and it hurt. If he's willing to start a convo. with me and apologize, then I'm going to help.

Is the people talking smack about you related, or are you saying that's why you're careful around people? Either way, I'm glad things can improve and I hope you guys at least become decent friends. Of course the fault isn't yours at all, I hope my comment wasn't too imposing. I just think for people like him, that one guy, even if the feeling isn't replicated, is on a much higher level of appreciation than vice versa. If that makes sense?

Also, I guess I'm kind of a hypocrite, because when I was like 11, this kid on the playground who was my friend said he would fuck my mom. We were kind of fighting for no reason, and that pretty much sealed the deal that I wasn't his friend anymore. Thinking back on it, he was much more  mature than me from a vocabulary standpoint I guessk, where saying something like that wasn't ultra offensive. But I still felt like an 8 year old would, xD 

I mention the smack talk because I never had anyone go up to my face and directly criticize me. It took a year of being miserable before I fixed my shit and had a social life.

 

I would rather criticize him and get it over with rather than see a bunch of people talk about him behind his back.

 

If dealing with this means I am able to help him start over, then I'm fine with it. I'm not gaining anything from being friends with him, and that's alright.



You did the right thing, many people don't get how to make good dark humour anymore. Dark humour is much like satire to be intended as funny and not to be particularly insulting or shocking towards an individual, while touching a non political topic. Daliso Chaponda is a master of dark humour and a comedian from Malawi.

Example of Dark humour "As an immigrant I was tricked into coming to the UK. A man on TV said the immigrants take all the good jobs and wives so I tought, where do I sign up for that. But when I did came into Europe the jobs sucked eithout a decent college degree and experience the wives lacked any form of oral hygiene and where very obese. Like I have never seen in my home country and to top it of the weather sucks literally always. Talk about false advertising it finally males sense why white people steal all that land.



Please excuse my (probally) poor grammar

I like dark humour, but it's not funny anymore if people overuse and exaggerate it. You're reaction is understandable, although it probably pushed him even more into his problems.



Edge? Lmao That word has completely lost its meaning.



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