'Jaicee said:

Let me stake out the unpopular position and defend Hillary Clinton.

In this new book we're talking about, Clinton concedes that she made many mistakes (like failing to visit certain states and of course retaining a private email server for convenience while in the White House), but also says that she ultimately still believes that circumstances outside her control determined the basic outcome of the election, and especially the infamous last-minute FBI letter. I think she's right about that! I mean the counter-argument I see to Clinton's claim that the FBI letter played a decisive role in the outcome is that "Well, it's still her fault because if she had been more responsible with her emails, she wouldn't have been in that situation in the first place." Well no, she wouldn't have, but saying that that makes the Republican-controlled FBI's partisan actions her fault is kind of like saying of a rape survivor that "Well she shouldn't have been drinking, so the rape is her fault." Lots of people think that way, but it's not actually true!

More compellingly, if voters were thinking about the candidates in a non-gendered way then there's no way that Hillary Clinton's email "scandal" compared to Donald Trump's corruption issues in magnitude. Even the FBI was forced to concede in public more than once that Clinton did nothing whatsoever illegal and that her email indiscretions had no victims at all. A victimless non-crime resulting from indiscretion is something that would rightly be called a mistake, not a scandal, and as such is hardly an issue of the same magnitude as Donald Trump running a fake university to bilk people out of their life savings or getting caught on video bragging about sexually assaulting women and then having a dozen of them come forward to confirm the validity of his recorded statements! But nevermind those minor indiscretions, Hillary Clinton broke protocol. PROTOCOL!!! You see how people (men in particular) held the two candidates to a different moral standard? The one can do whatever he wants and still win. The other had to be perfect and turned out to instead be human.

There is also the matter of experience that I relate to personally and consider a gendered matter. I'm hardly the only female on this Earth who has seen guys I train pass me up for promotions. That is something commonly known as the glass ceiling: where you are clearly better qualified, but you get passed by anyway because you have the wrong genitals. I REALLY think that that's the essence of what happened to Hillary Clinton both in the 2008 primaries and in this year's general election was made all the more pronounced and ridiculous. That a man with literally ZERO governing experience can win out over the candidate who has more experience and qualifications for the job than anyone who has ever run for the presidency I think definitely constitutes the glass ceiling. Or at least I think so anyway.

I really feel like this bullshit about it "being an anti-establishment year" is exactly that: bullshit! That's just the rhetorical excuse for the glass ceiling. It wouldn't have been an anti-establishment year if Joe Biden had entered and won the nomination, would it? He'd be president right now! Search your feelings: you know it to be true! 2016 was only "an anti-establishment year" because the Democratic nominee was a well-qualified woman and her opponent was a clearly unqualified man. It's the excuse for the man winning anyway just because he's a man.

That's all I'm saying.'

I am so sick and tired of people like you defending her because she is a woman because you are a women yourself and completely discount all of the advantages she had to win this election and her faults.. 

She lacked the talent, the charisma and leadership to be president and is why she lost against Obama and got nearly bulldozed by Bernie Saunders and ultimately beaten by Trump as he sold a targeted message in key states to win the electoral college.

She lost due to Hubris and the belief she owned the Presidency and took the election campaign as a joke...

Now in the dustbin of history she goes

1. You see it as a man being promoted over a women. I see a man who isn't under criminal investigation winning against a person who is under investigation. 

2. This was so obviously the anti-estabilishment year it's not even funny. You saw it right away with just how well Sanders and Trump were doing from the jump. You can take it as excuses if you want and bury your head in the sand like HIllary is doing or you can start to listen to the people who are telling you what happened and stop thinking were all misogynist. I can see why you wanted to defend Hillary. Just like her you don't want to hear the reasons she lost and have already decided why she lost and it's because everyone else hates women.

3. No comparing the email situation to a women who got raped is not the same at all. Hillary committed what many feel was a crime, but the FBI let her go with a warning. A rape victim who is drinking hasn't comitted a crime (unless she's underage) even then we're talking about crimes that people have ended up in jail for years over. The FBI situation was clearly her fault and the FBI was controller by a democrat named Obama. He could have fired Comey at anytime (see what Trump did).

4. Your excuses basically boil down to "she lost cause she's a women" and "The FBI shouldn't have notified congress of any investigation updates even though they said they would during the original statement that it was over".

I voted for her, but fuck her.

I tryed to add a vid, I failed, so ignore this.

So what you're saying is that the public fell in love with her opponent, Donald Trump's...personal humility? Really?

The media, Hillary and the democrats and many people like yourself vastly underestimated Trump...

Frankly it does not require a 6 figure salary to realize Trump path to victory was working class voters in the rust belt lol

I would have won compilation...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm-jPcmMWSg

Why aren't I 50 points ahead you might ask? A meme forever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VyOfDQZECc

Why do you keep saying "people like you" and "people like yourself", stuff like that? For someone who complains about the "hubris" of other people, you sure display a lot of it. You don't know anything about me, sister, let alone whether I thought Trump would win last year (and as a matter of fact I did), what my income level level is (not six figures, sorry) or anything else, so could you give the personalizing of everything a rest? It's not like you even live in the same country as the rust belt you claim to understand better than I do "lol".

Thats basically how I feel about her.  I probably should have just thrown my vote away with a Libertarian vote or something but I kind of wanted to see Republicans lose the state of Texas in an election.  It was closer than usual but of course the end result... My vote didn't count just like it never fucking counts.  Thank fucking god for the electoral college.

I'd like to bitch slap anyone in public that supports the electoral college.

What stupid fuck wouldn't vote for him when he promised them numerous times at his stupid rallies to make everyone rich like him?