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SamuelRSmith on 08 September 2017
JEMC said:

A GTX 1060 6GB or an RX 580 8GB exceed the recommended specs of the games you've listed, so that's the min. you should look for on a PC if you want it to last a few years.

As for the CPU, it depends on what else are you going to do with it, but a fast quad core from Intel (I'd point to an i5-6500/7500 as the least you should get) will be enough. Ryzen is a good alternative, but only if you're going to overclock or you find a store that sells PCs with overclocked parts. If you find one, an R5 1600X should be the sweet spot.

Beyond that, the absolute minimum of RAM you need is 8GB, but you should really try to get 16GB.

You shouldn't have major problems finding a PC with all that for less than $1,000. Heck, if I can find a PC with all that plus a 120GB SSD here in Spain for less than 1,000 € WITH taxes, you should be able to find it for a lot less.

I was actually looking at this card "so that's the min", what does that mean? It's not that great?

Does it play Crysis? (..... is that still the benchmark?) Half Life 2 with HDR enabled? 



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caffeinade on 08 September 2017
SamuelRSmith said:
JEMC said:

A GTX 1060 6GB or an RX 580 8GB exceed the recommended specs of the games you've listed, so that's the min. you should look for on a PC if you want it to last a few years.

As for the CPU, it depends on what else are you going to do with it, but a fast quad core from Intel (I'd point to an i5-6500/7500 as the least you should get) will be enough. Ryzen is a good alternative, but only if you're going to overclock or you find a store that sells PCs with overclocked parts. If you find one, an R5 1600X should be the sweet spot.

Beyond that, the absolute minimum of RAM you need is 8GB, but you should really try to get 16GB.

You shouldn't have major problems finding a PC with all that for less than $1,000. Heck, if I can find a PC with all that plus a 120GB SSD here in Spain for less than 1,000 € WITH taxes, you should be able to find it for a lot less.

I was actually looking at this card "so that's the min", what does that mean? It's not that great?

Does it play Crysis? (..... is that still the benchmark?) Half Life 2 with HDR enabled? 

The GTX 1060 and RX 480 should be able to handle any game at 1080p.
Ah, 60 FPS too.

Maybe not Star Citizen.



SamuelRSmith on 08 September 2017

So based on some of the posts I read on here, I built this on "cyberpowerpc"

CAS: CyberpowerPC X-MIRAGE Black Mid Tower ATX Gaming Case w/ Tempered Glass on both side Windows [-9] (Black Color)
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600X 3.6GHz [4.0GHz Turbo] Six-Core 16MB L3 Cache 95W Processor [-60]
FAN: Corsair Hydro Series H60 120mm Liquid CPU Cooling System w/ Copper Cold Plate (Single Standard 120MM Fan)
HDD: 1TB SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 32MB Cache 7200RPM HDD (Single Drive)
IUSB: Built-in USB 2.0 Ports
KEYBOARD: CyberpowerPC Multimedia USB Gaming Keyboard
MEMORY: 16GB (8GBx2) DDR4/2400MHz Dual Channel Memory (Performance Memory by Major Brands)
MOTHERBOARD: ASRock AB350 Pro4 AM4 ATX w/ RGB, Realtek LAN, 2 PCIe x16, 4 PCIe x1, 6 SATA3, 2 M.2 SATA/PCIe
MOUSE: CyberpowerPC Standard 4000 DPI with Weight System Optical Gaming Mouse
NETWORK: Onboard Gigabit LAN Network
POWERSUPPLY: 600 Watts - Standard 80 Plus Certified Power Supply - SLI/CrossFireX Ready
SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
VIDEO: AMD Radeon RX 580 4GB GDDR5 Video Card [VR Ready] (Single Card)

Which all comes to a grand total of $907 plus tax.

Included is a 1 year parts warranty, and 3 years service/technical support. I'll probably opt to add in some shipping coverage, and maybe buy a surge protector (lots of storms around here, causes unstable power a couple times per year).

Is this a good price, is there anything in that list that's a red flag? Cheap gunk, overpaying, or even just way overpowered for our needs?



Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 08 September 2017
SamuelRSmith said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Wait a week or two for intel's next gen cpu to come out and then think about buying something.

Usually the go to build would be either a Ryzen 1600 or next gen intel i5 8600k + 1070 should be less than $1000 usd I believe. If you want something cheaper, keep the cpus the same but go with a 1060.

Although I think the gpus are still over priced from the mining craze so... You aren't gonna get a good deal unless you look hard for it.

Edit. Sorry, intel's next gen cpus are launching in october apperently, nvm about a week to two weeks. Still, well worth the wait cause the i5 will be 6 cores instead of 4 with the current gen.

We can happily wait a couple more months, we've been umming and erring about this for a while now. Although, if we do wait until October, will we be then be recommended to wait a bit more time for something else on the horizon?

Well, the next big upgrade as far as most people know for gaming will be Nvidia Volta which isn't coming out until at least q1 next year according to Nvidia. Now if you want to wait until Q1 2018, then be my guest and the upgrade to Volta will certainly be worth the wait but that is still rumored with no real confirmation from Nvidia. And for all we know, it might take even longer.

We do have plently of hints by intel themselves though that their next gen will be released in October so... At the very least if you wait until October and then upgrade, you shouldn't have buyer's remorse or anything. Cause the worst feeling at least for me is that you upgrade and then 30 days later, it's outdated. And really, if the rumors for intel's next gen is true, the next gen i3 will have similar performance to a current gen i7. If that becomes true and I buy a kaby lake now, I would be regreting life but that's just me.

Plus maybe the GPU prices will finally go down to their MSRP but who knows about that.



                  

PC Specs: CPU: 7800X3D || GPU: Strix 4090 || RAM: 32GB DDR5 6000 || Main SSD: WD 2TB SN850

Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 08 September 2017
SamuelRSmith said:
So based on some of the posts I read on here, I built this on "cyberpowerpc"

CAS: CyberpowerPC X-MIRAGE Black Mid Tower ATX Gaming Case w/ Tempered Glass on both side Windows [-9] (Black Color)
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600X 3.6GHz [4.0GHz Turbo] Six-Core 16MB L3 Cache 95W Processor [-60]
FAN: Corsair Hydro Series H60 120mm Liquid CPU Cooling System w/ Copper Cold Plate (Single Standard 120MM Fan)
HDD: 1TB SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 32MB Cache 7200RPM HDD (Single Drive)
IUSB: Built-in USB 2.0 Ports
KEYBOARD: CyberpowerPC Multimedia USB Gaming Keyboard
MEMORY: 16GB (8GBx2) DDR4/2400MHz Dual Channel Memory (Performance Memory by Major Brands)
MOTHERBOARD: ASRock AB350 Pro4 AM4 ATX w/ RGB, Realtek LAN, 2 PCIe x16, 4 PCIe x1, 6 SATA3, 2 M.2 SATA/PCIe
MOUSE: CyberpowerPC Standard 4000 DPI with Weight System Optical Gaming Mouse
NETWORK: Onboard Gigabit LAN Network
POWERSUPPLY: 600 Watts - Standard 80 Plus Certified Power Supply - SLI/CrossFireX Ready
SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
VIDEO: AMD Radeon RX 580 4GB GDDR5 Video Card [VR Ready] (Single Card)

Which all comes to a grand total of $907 plus tax.

Included is a 1 year parts warranty, and 3 years service/technical support. I'll probably opt to add in some shipping coverage, and maybe buy a surge protector (lots of storms around here, causes unstable power a couple times per year).

Is this a good price, is there anything in that list that's a red flag? Cheap gunk, overpaying, or even just way overpowered for our needs?

I'd get a 1600 instead of a 1600X cause it comes with a pretty good stock cooler which can handle a certain amount of overclocking without giving you shit termals. I am sure you can find proof if you google/youtube it. And then obviously don't bother with the liquid cooler since you would be using the stock cooler.

With the money you save, I'd try to get a 1070 instead.

Difference is rape worthy and that's compared to the 8gb 580, not the 4gb:



                  

PC Specs: CPU: 7800X3D || GPU: Strix 4090 || RAM: 32GB DDR5 6000 || Main SSD: WD 2TB SN850

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SamuelRSmith on 09 September 2017
Captain_Yuri said:

I'd get a 1600 instead of a 1600X cause it comes with a pretty good stock cooler which can handle a certain amount of overclocking without giving you shit termals. I am sure you can find proof if you google/youtube it. And then obviously don't bother with the liquid cooler since you would be using the stock cooler.

With the money you save, I'd try to get a 1070 instead.

Difference is rape worthy and that's compared to the 8gb 580, not the 4gb:

The cost difference between the 1600 and 1600x is only $34, and the downgrade in cooling is $21. 4gb 580 to 8gb 1070 adds $234, quite a jump.

This is all on the site I'm using, cyberpowerpc



Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 09 September 2017
SamuelRSmith said:
Captain_Yuri said:

I'd get a 1600 instead of a 1600X cause it comes with a pretty good stock cooler which can handle a certain amount of overclocking without giving you shit termals. I am sure you can find proof if you google/youtube it. And then obviously don't bother with the liquid cooler since you would be using the stock cooler.

With the money you save, I'd try to get a 1070 instead.

Difference is rape worthy and that's compared to the 8gb 580, not the 4gb:

The cost difference between the 1600 and 1600x is only $34, and the downgrade in cooling is $21. 4gb 580 to 8gb 1070 adds $234, quite a jump.

This is all on the site I'm using, cyberpowerpc

Well this is why I don't use sites like that...

The stock cooler comes free with the cpu yet for some reason, that site is charging you for it. The difference should be at least $80 in savings just by using the stock cooler. I suggest going to pcpartpicker.com and configuring stuff.

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CGv4zM

Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CGv4zM/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($197.08 @ OutletPC) 

Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($59.99 @ Newegg) 

Memory: G.Skill - Flare X 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($129.99 @ Newegg) 

Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($45.87 @ OutletPC) 

Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC GAMING ACX 3.0 Black Edition Video Card  ($424.98 @ Newegg) 

Case: Corsair - 300R ATX Mid Tower Case  ($35.09 @ Amazon) 

Power Supply: EVGA - 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($49.99 @ Amazon) 

Total: $942.98

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-09 00:30 EDT-0400

Yea it doesn't include a keyboard/mouse but I am sure you can find cheap keyboard/mouse that are as good as their keyboard/mouse on amazon or something. The performance difference between the builds are significant though and I am sure you might be able to cut some more cost if you look hard enough. The caviat is that you do have to get your own OS and build it yourself. 



                  

PC Specs: CPU: 7800X3D || GPU: Strix 4090 || RAM: 32GB DDR5 6000 || Main SSD: WD 2TB SN850

pokoko on 09 September 2017

I've bought three PCs from ibuypower and I've been pleased with each one. I'm not sure what you mean about the hardware, as you can choose everything yourself. I've had one problem--a faulty CPU heatsink--and they gave me the option of overnighting the part for me to change myself rather than shipping the entire PC back.

Pricing the parts on Newegg usually puts me close enough to make it worthwhile. However, that includes being patient and waiting for the best sales, rebates, and special promotions, especially free shipping. If the promotions aren't that good for me then I'll wait for them to change.




JEMC on 09 September 2017
SamuelRSmith said:
JEMC said:

A GTX 1060 6GB or an RX 580 8GB exceed the recommended specs of the games you've listed, so that's the min. you should look for on a PC if you want it to last a few years.

As for the CPU, it depends on what else are you going to do with it, but a fast quad core from Intel (I'd point to an i5-6500/7500 as the least you should get) will be enough. Ryzen is a good alternative, but only if you're going to overclock or you find a store that sells PCs with overclocked parts. If you find one, an R5 1600X should be the sweet spot.

Beyond that, the absolute minimum of RAM you need is 8GB, but you should really try to get 16GB.

You shouldn't have major problems finding a PC with all that for less than $1,000. Heck, if I can find a PC with all that plus a 120GB SSD here in Spain for less than 1,000 € WITH taxes, you should be able to find it for a lot less.

I was actually looking at this card "so that's the min", what does that mean? It's not that great?

Does it play Crysis? (..... is that still the benchmark?) Half Life 2 with HDR enabled? 

When I said that those 2 cards whould be the minimum you should get is because they are the lowest cards to meet the recommended specs for the games you listed, so they should be the ones to get in order to be able to play those games without worrying if your PC can run it or not.

SamuelRSmith said:
So based on some of the posts I read on here, I built this on "cyberpowerpc"

CAS: CyberpowerPC X-MIRAGE Black Mid Tower ATX Gaming Case w/ Tempered Glass on both side Windows [-9] (Black Color)
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600X 3.6GHz [4.0GHz Turbo] Six-Core 16MB L3 Cache 95W Processor [-60]
FAN: Corsair Hydro Series H60 120mm Liquid CPU Cooling System w/ Copper Cold Plate (Single Standard 120MM Fan)
HDD: 1TB SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 32MB Cache 7200RPM HDD (Single Drive)
IUSB: Built-in USB 2.0 Ports
KEYBOARD: CyberpowerPC Multimedia USB Gaming Keyboard
MEMORY: 16GB (8GBx2) DDR4/2400MHz Dual Channel Memory (Performance Memory by Major Brands)
MOTHERBOARD: ASRock AB350 Pro4 AM4 ATX w/ RGB, Realtek LAN, 2 PCIe x16, 4 PCIe x1, 6 SATA3, 2 M.2 SATA/PCIe
MOUSE: CyberpowerPC Standard 4000 DPI with Weight System Optical Gaming Mouse
NETWORK: Onboard Gigabit LAN Network
POWERSUPPLY: 600 Watts - Standard 80 Plus Certified Power Supply - SLI/CrossFireX Ready
SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
VIDEO: AMD Radeon RX 580 4GB GDDR5 Video Card [VR Ready] (Single Card)

Which all comes to a grand total of $907 plus tax.

Included is a 1 year parts warranty, and 3 years service/technical support. I'll probably opt to add in some shipping coverage, and maybe buy a surge protector (lots of storms around here, causes unstable power a couple times per year).

Is this a good price, is there anything in that list that's a red flag? Cheap gunk, overpaying, or even just way overpowered for our needs?

I have 2 criticisms about your setup:

1) Do NOT get a 4GB RX 580 card or a 3GB GTX 1060. There are games that already use 4GB or more at 1080p so, if you go that route, you may find yourself in trouble to run some games sooner than you want.

2) Ryzen processors work best with fast RAM. If you can afford it, get a faster RAM kit. 3000-3200MHz should be the sweet spot.

Captain_Yuri said:
SamuelRSmith said:

We can happily wait a couple more months, we've been umming and erring about this for a while now. Although, if we do wait until October, will we be then be recommended to wait a bit more time for something else on the horizon?

Well, the next big upgrade as far as most people know for gaming will be Nvidia Volta which isn't coming out until at least q1 next year according to Nvidia. Now if you want to wait until Q1 2018, then be my guest and the upgrade to Volta will certainly be worth the wait but that is still rumored with no real confirmation from Nvidia. And for all we know, it might take even longer.

We do have plently of hints by intel themselves though that their next gen will be released in October so... At the very least if you wait until October and then upgrade, you shouldn't have buyer's remorse or anything. Cause the worst feeling at least for me is that you upgrade and then 30 days later, it's outdated. And really, if the rumors for intel's next gen is true, the next gen i3 will have similar performance to a current gen i7. If that becomes true and I buy a kaby lake now, I would be regreting life but that's just me.

Plus maybe the GPU prices will finally go down to their MSRP but who knows about that.

Intel will launch the new Coffe Lake processors in October 5th: http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-6-core-coffee-lake-processors-launch-october-5th.html



Please excuse my bad English.

Currently gaming on a PC with an i5-4670k@stock (for now), 16Gb RAM 1600 MHz and a GTX 1070

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SamuelRSmith on 09 September 2017

If I have no interest in overclocking should I switch from the Ryzen to an Intel CPU?

I've been watching some videos on assembling PCs, doesn't sound tremendously difficult - the only thing I'm worried about is bending a pin on the CPU slot, or if something arrives faulty and delays everything (I would assume these builder sites would test all the components and the whole machine before shipping to me).