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KLAMarine said:
Insidb said:

Disney also brungs much better directors than Lucas to the series, so the newer films should be much better than the OT. I grew up on IV-VI, but the VII's execution is absurdly better than those. When Lucas completely took over I-III, his incompetence (as director) only became more glaring. I'll be forever thankful for his creation, but his limits are quite evident.

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...Is there a particular reason why you feel this way?

Yeah, before VII came out, I watched IV and V again; after I watched VII, I watched VI, VII, then I-VI again.

I loathe I-III for many reasons, but re-watching the original trilogy (in tandem with VII) made me question so many of the bizarre scene cuts and dialogue. In hindsight, it was probably my nostalgia that allowed me to gloss over such directorial ineptitude, but it made the inanity of I-III decidedly less surprising (as Lucas shed the directors from IV-VI). Nothing will shake my fandom, but JJ is just better at his job than Lucas.



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Soundwave said:
mZuzek said:

It's not about expecting something to live up to the original trilogy, since basing expectations on previous work is always a crappy mentality. The expectation isn't for the new movies to blow the original trilogy out of the water, it's for them to be good movies and be able to stand on their own. Force Awakens could have been a decent movie, but it was executed poorly and too often lost in fan service - Rogue One on the contrary was good because of the fan service, but it still doesn't stand as its own thing.

It's not like the original trilogy is this holy grail of moviemaking either, right? Only Empire was a truly amazing movie, the other two were good/great at best.

Empire is the holy grail in terms of the "Hollywood blockbuster" model. I think only Raiders of the Lost Ark, Wrath of Khan, Terminator 2, maaaaybe 1999's Matrix, and Fellowship of the Ring, perhaps The Dark Knight are even on that level (and I mean on level, not even). Return of the Jedi is underrated too IMO, the scenes with Luke/Vader/Emperor reach a level very, very few films in the fantasy/sci-fi genre will ever touch. You can palpably "feel" the struggle Luke has and the anger coming out of him is spot on, everything about that is so well written and really understated by people. 

Man, I just don't get it. I'll admit I haven't seen some of those films in a long time, but why do people put Raiders, Matrix, and LOTR on such a high pedestal? I haven't seen Wrath of Khan or any Terminator so I can't comment on those, but The Dark Knight is the only film on that list that I think holds up even close to Empire. Maybe I just need to rewatch those films, I mean as a kid I didn't appreciate Empire nearly as much as I do now(ROTJ was my favorite, followed by Episode 3 as a kid). But some of those i've seen recently, like Fellowship ... I always appreciate what LOTR does way more than I enjoy it, I don't think it's really that amazing as a blockbuster, it's kind of bloated and it's more so a success as an adaptation and a "wow they could make this?" than as a movie. Matrix is just so meh, Raiders isn't even the best Indiana Jones, that's 3, and it's not even a contest it's by farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr the best movie in the Indiana Jones series. I also remember the 2nd Indiana Jones doing much more interesting things than the first, tuff that really caught your attention.



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Soundwave said:

Empire is the holy grail in terms of the "Hollywood blockbuster" model. I think only Raiders of the Lost Ark, Wrath of Khan, Terminator 2, maaaaybe 1999's Matrix, and Fellowship of the Ring, perhaps The Dark Knight are even on that level (and I mean on level, not even). Return of the Jedi is underrated too IMO, the scenes with Luke/Vader/Emperor reach a level very, very few films in the fantasy/sci-fi genre will ever touch. You can palpably "feel" the struggle Luke has and the anger coming out of him is spot on, everything about that is so well written and really understated by people. 

Man, I just don't get it. I'll admit I haven't seen some of those films in a long time, but why do people put Raiders, Matrix, and LOTR on such a high pedestal? I haven't seen Wrath of Khan or any Terminator so I can't comment on those, but The Dark Knight is the only film on that list that I think holds up even close to Empire. Maybe I just need to rewatch those films, I mean as a kid I didn't appreciate Empire nearly as much as I do now(ROTJ was my favorite, followed by Episode 3 as a kid). But some of those i've seen recently, like Fellowship ... I always appreciate what LOTR does way more than I enjoy it, I don't think it's really that amazing as a blockbuster, it's kind of bloated and it's more so a success as an adaptation and a "wow they could make this?" than as a movie. Matrix is just so meh, Raiders isn't even the best Indiana Jones, that's 3, and it's not even a contest it's by farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr the best movie in the Indiana Jones series. I also remember the 2nd Indiana Jones doing much more interesting things than the first, tuff that really caught your attention.

Those films are put on a pedestal because they're good and well done. 

I watched The Matrix the other day on TV, it still kicks the crap out of virtually any modern day blockbuster but seeing it in a theater in 1999 was something else. 



Soundwave said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Man, I just don't get it. I'll admit I haven't seen some of those films in a long time, but why do people put Raiders, Matrix, and LOTR on such a high pedestal? I haven't seen Wrath of Khan or any Terminator so I can't comment on those, but The Dark Knight is the only film on that list that I think holds up even close to Empire. Maybe I just need to rewatch those films, I mean as a kid I didn't appreciate Empire nearly as much as I do now(ROTJ was my favorite, followed by Episode 3 as a kid). But some of those i've seen recently, like Fellowship ... I always appreciate what LOTR does way more than I enjoy it, I don't think it's really that amazing as a blockbuster, it's kind of bloated and it's more so a success as an adaptation and a "wow they could make this?" than as a movie. Matrix is just so meh, Raiders isn't even the best Indiana Jones, that's 3, and it's not even a contest it's by farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr the best movie in the Indiana Jones series. I also remember the 2nd Indiana Jones doing much more interesting things than the first, tuff that really caught your attention.

Those films are put on a pedestal because they're good and well done. 

I watched The Matrix the other day on TV, it still kicks the crap out of virtually any modern day blockbuster but seeing it in a theater in 1999 was something else. 

I guess, I just think they're boring as fuck, except maybe the first Indiana Jones, which is still way worse than the other 2.



Insidb said:
KLAMarine said:

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...Is there a particular reason why you feel this way?

Yeah, before VII came out, I watched IV and V again; after I watched VII, I watched VI, VII, then I-VI again.

I loathe I-III for many reasons, but re-watching the original trilogy (in tandem with VII) made me question so many of the bizarre scene cuts and dialogue. In hindsight, it was probably my nostalgia that allowed me to gloss over such directorial ineptitude, but it made the inanity of I-III decidedly less surprising (as Lucas shed the directors from IV-VI). Nothing will shake my fandom, but JJ is just better at his job than Lucas.

Hmm, are there any bizarre scene cuts and dialogue you'd like to highlight?



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spurgeonryan said:
Prediction: George Lucas.

What a twist! Lol, sad thing is at this point I'd actually welcome bringing Lucas back because at least it would guarantee Episode IX wouldn't be a remake / reboot of Return of the Jedi haha.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

As crazy as it is I wouldn't mind seeing the Wachowskis try a Star Wars movie even though they are extremely hit and miss.

In all honesty though the director doesn't matter *that* much. Get the script right and the rest will fall into place.

I'd watch VIII first and if VIII is great, I'd just bring back Rian Johnson. Why rock the boat. If it's not I'd go with Brad Bird (Pixar, Mission: Impossible, Tomorrowland).

I think what's happening though is Kennedy is trying to get JJ Abrams back. He doesn't have anything planned for that period either I don't think. So I think she is waiting to hear back from him first. If not, then Johnson is plan B.



spurgeonryan said:
NightDragon83 said:

What a twist! Lol, sad thing is at this point I'd actually welcome bringing Lucas back because at least it would guarantee Episode IX wouldn't be a remake / reboot of Return of the Jedi haha.

I say they do the Jar Jar Binks theory and have him take over, or do the story where Palpatine only made the death star to take on a hidden civilization that is immune to the Force. 

 

Hope it is not Any big director that has worn out his welcome and is out of ideas, like Speilberg or Howard.

I'm waiting for the Jar Jar standalone film in 2035, followed by the Porkins standalone film A Fridge Too Far in 2037.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

Veknoid_Outcast said:
That's both good and bad. I was never comfortable with Trevorrow at the helm. Jurassic World was a mess.

Still, seeing two sets of directors ushered off the stage this far into pre-production or, in the case of the unnecessary Han Solo spinoff, production is a terrible sign. I'm more and more convinced that Disney will run this franchise into the ground, either by oversaturation, gentrification, or both.

They are definitely trying to milk it as much as they can!! Making Star Wars an annual thing is just insane, I don't know how long they'll be able to do this for.



AlfredoTurkey said:

I'd rather have genuine art which is messy than manufactured "product" that is made with only one goal in mind... money. KK has gone of RECORD (I can direct you to the video if you want) as saying that they're intentionally forcing diversity into these films at all costs. That's not "art"... that's fucking product. It's now all just focus groups and PR people at the helm, trying to capitalize on current trends. JJ went on record, admitting that they intentionally wanted to put women and black people into the film... just cause. It's disgusting.


How dare they intentionally hire women and black people. I refuse to believe that women and black people can act. This is an atrocity. More diversity in films? What next, a female Doctor Who? Cinema should only have white men in the lead role (and preferably a primarily white cast), otherwise I am offended.

/End sarcasm.


If I were to write a song, and the lyrics were intentionally inclusive, how would this necessarily devalue said song? 
Art for centuries has been used to make statements, whether in a political sense or otherwise. 



As for this Colin Trevorrow leaving this Star Wars project, I don't really see it as a loss. As others have pointed out, he doesn't have the most impressive resume.