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Let me guess. He refused for the new Death Star to have 2 mouse ears.



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Don't really see an issue with this since Episode IX hasn't even started filming yet. If it was in the middle of shooting then this would likely be a problem, now it just seems like a minor delay.



AngryLittleAlchemist said:

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Dude you're going in circles, how hard is it to understand, something is only ever being mishandled if the result of it is bad. As bizarre and outrageous as this decisions look to you, the end result is good. And I don't care only for the money, altough this is the most important aspect for the investors it is not entirely what determines brand sucess, I statetd multiple times I care about the sucess of the product wich is related directly to the money it makes and the critical/public aclaim (measurable by reviews and cinema score) a movie gets. In fact a movie can have bad BO but great reviews and world of mouth and beconsidered a sucess if it proves as a foundation stone for a franchise or if it generates buzz around an exhisting franchise and a movie can be a failure having great BO but terrible public and critic sucess like BatmanvSuperman or Suicide Squad was, bot those movies damage the DC brand. It is you who stuck to BO only and ignored everything else I said.

Now if a movie changes directors 11 times, comes out, is well rceived by critics, has good word of mouth, great BO its a sucess than whatever the hell the producers did during production worked so you can't argue that the production was mishandled or that it had issues, it obviously didn't, the decision to change directors 11 times was right. And in the matter of Star Wars specifically you are saying a model that has now given us over 15 sucessfull movies considering Kenedy's Star Wars model is the same used by Feige on Marvel movies, is a bad model, your point is based on what exacly since all the examples out there point otherwise. There is a method to what they are doing, there's a history here of sucess based on this model. Ant Man one of Marvel's most sucessfull movie sacked Edgar Wright after he had already started shooting, multiple other times directors were changed due to "creative differences" and what not, reshoots are the norm, and the MCU is the bigest franchise on movie history and the Marvel brand is at its peak value right now. This discussion is like watching Cristiano Ronaldo win best player of the world year after year and win every single freaking tournament in the planet and keep arguing that he ins't a great player because hes too selfish, and believe me ppl do that all the time. 



AlfredoTurkey said:

Just read on theforce.net that he clashed with SJW/feminist KK over the script. Let this be a lesson to all future males attempting to work on Star Wars... you've better be a feminist and you'd better be on board with the SJW angle. 

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I was suspecting something like this. Has anyone else read the new canon books that take place between Jedi and Ep7? It's clear they are pushing a narrative. I still like the books, but there was one small section in the Princess Leia Bloodlines book that mentioned a gay character, and it came out of nowhere and stuck out like a sore thumb. It was obvious the writer included it to meet a quota, or some such situation.

In the Aftermath series, the main characters were all female - there were adult males in the party, one of which was gay, and they spent a lot of time focusing on his love life.

Add it up with the fact that the two movies out so far both have female leads (and the only white male was supposed to die before rewrites - Poe) and it becomes more and more obvious what's going on. It wouldn't suprise me if Luke turning dark has something to do with this as well.



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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
LipeJJ said:

But there is only one movie out. We should wait for the other 2 to come out.

Of course, but judging on them right NOW, I would say the trilogy is a creative failure. Disney keeps hiring directors that actually have a directorial voice, and then rejecting them over "creative differences". A company snooping around too much in the creation of a film is very rarely a good thing.

Well I agree that if the 2 others are similar to the first, then this will be a creative failure. The first is a very bad Star Wars movie, lacking imagination, lacking ambition: basically a fan service + Last Hope (average) remake.

But nonetheless it was still an enjoyable family movie. I liked it.



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Uh oh...I hope the Return of the Jedi reboot isn't in jeopardy now. Not just anyone can direct that.

I kid I kid. But seriously, this should be fine if it's still in pre-production



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COKTOE said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Of course, but judging on them right NOW, I would say the trilogy is a creative failure. Disney keeps hiring directors that actually have a directorial voice, and then rejecting them over "creative differences". A company snooping around too much in the creation of a film is very rarely a good thing.

Yeah. Same with TV. I just started Star Wars: Rebels season 2 today, and although I'm enjoying it much more than I thought I would ( phew ), I still consider it to be inferior to The Clone Wars on basically every front. Part of this is due to the Disney sanitization of the show. Of couse, how much of this is due to Disney is up for speculation. Clone Wars dealt with death, the cost of war, made me care about bit characters. On Rebels.....they sometimes cop out. Oh, the whole town was razed by The Empire, but every single resident was spared? The characters go out of their way to say and repeat this in the dialogue. It's ok kids. Everybody's in jail. Although I enjoyed Rogue One as it is, I would have loved to see the darker version that was originally planned before Disney wrapped their tentacles around it.

There's a darker version than every character from the movie dying at the end?



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Soundwave said:
Smartie900 said:

It isn't high art... but the original Star Wars movies had heart and charm to them that made them feel special. The story was always about a normal farmer boy trying to adapt to a situation that placed massive responsibility on to him. It was interesting to see him traverse around this unique and well realized world that Lucas created. There was character development for Luke that saw him progressively mature and become more used to the situation he was plunged into. I liken the original Star Wars trilogy to the original Spider-Man trilogy. While both had their moments of camp, they had personality and character that aren't present in most Hollywood movies. Jurassic World, while somewhat enjoyable... had absolutely no soul. That feeling of genuine warmth you get when watching certain movies is nowhere to be found in the new series. Force Awakens was decent.. but that was only because it followed the formula for A New Hope to an absolute T. Rogue One was just below average. Given Trevorrow's attempts on Jurrasic World, he was not the right choice to make these films seem less manufactured then they are.

I think people should just accept the original trilogy will never be beaten. Too many things went right for the OT, it was too groundbreaking, etc. etc. You can't top Darth Vader or Yoda or Han Solo or Emperor the "I'm your father" twist. 

The current movies will be "safe" solidly made films mostly like the Marvel movies are. Solid entertainment that don't have some of the more egregiously embarrassing moments the prequels did. There is like maybe 1 or 2 scenes total in the three prequels that actually work as scenes without having to be a lightsaber battle or space sequence. 

In my ideal world...  Studios would let passionate directors have creative freedom to do what they want. I have fun with these types of movies... but they're not that memorable. One day... When the blockbuster bubble bursts, Studios are gonna have to take more risks with their property. I can't wait for that day to arrive. 



 

 

TruckOSaurus said:
COKTOE said:

Yeah. Same with TV. I just started Star Wars: Rebels season 2 today, and although I'm enjoying it much more than I thought I would ( phew ), I still consider it to be inferior to The Clone Wars on basically every front. Part of this is due to the Disney sanitization of the show. Of couse, how much of this is due to Disney is up for speculation. Clone Wars dealt with death, the cost of war, made me care about bit characters. On Rebels.....they sometimes cop out. Oh, the whole town was razed by The Empire, but every single resident was spared? The characters go out of their way to say and repeat this in the dialogue. It's ok kids. Everybody's in jail. Although I enjoyed Rogue One as it is, I would have loved to see the darker version that was originally planned before Disney wrapped their tentacles around it.

There's a darker version than every character from the movie dying at the end?

Well, it turns out what I'd read was incorrect, and that Disney was pretty hands-off for much of the movie. My bad.



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epicurean said:
AlfredoTurkey said:

Just read on theforce.net that he clashed with SJW/feminist KK over the script. Let this be a lesson to all future males attempting to work on Star Wars... you've better be a feminist and you'd better be on board with the SJW angle. 

Every single day that passes makes me miss Lucas more.

I was suspecting something like this. Has anyone else read the new canon books that take place between Jedi and Ep7? It's clear they are pushing a narrative. I still like the books, but there was one small section in the Princess Leia Bloodlines book that mentioned a gay character, and it came out of nowhere and stuck out like a sore thumb. It was obvious the writer included it to meet a quota, or some such situation.

In the Aftermath series, the main characters were all female - there were adult males in the party, one of which was gay, and they spent a lot of time focusing on his love life.

Add it up with the fact that the two movies out so far both have female leads (and the only white male was supposed to die before rewrites - Poe) and it becomes more and more obvious what's going on. It wouldn't suprise me if Luke turning dark has something to do with this as well.

Umm.. Oscar Isaac is Guatemalan/Cuban. Wouldnt exactly say he's white as he is Latino