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Forums - Movies & TV - Colin Trevorrow Exits Star Wars Episode 9; Disney will announce new Director at a later date

abronn627 said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

I'm not saying it's wrong to throw this guy out. He's not even that good of a director. I'm just saying that the way Disney has handled the Star Wars license has been pretty bad so far, this isn't the only movie they've kicked multiple directors out of, they are doing a bad job managing their staff.

I'm not ready to say that they're handling the franchise badly. You may have been disappointed by ep7, but overall they've took the right decisions. We should wait for the Last Jedi before judging thoses decisions. But one thing is clear, Star Wars is in better hand now than 5 years ago.

On the contrary, it's not really the quality that matters. Episode 7 could have been great and they'd still be mishandling the series.

http://www.businessinsider.com/star-wars-han-solo-movie-directors-phil-lord-christopher-miller-fired-2017-6

http://www.businessinsider.com/han-solo-movie-set-details-2017-6

and then there's the Rogue One incident, where they had to edit and reshoot a lot of the movie for millions of dollars(they hired someone to do it for 5 million, but it's unclear how much more it costed). 

Episode 7 being a disappointing, nay, bad movie, is just the cherry on top. But I'm willing to except that's just my opinion and that these movies will always make a profit. Just kind of sad to see a very inconsistent and badly managed franchise. Just thought it was well accepted by now in the community that Disney is not managing the films well, since it's well documented and there's even entire joke videos about it. 



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That's both good and bad. I was never comfortable with Trevorrow at the helm. Jurassic World was a mess.

Still, seeing two sets of directors ushered off the stage this far into pre-production or, in the case of the unnecessary Han Solo spinoff, production is a terrible sign. I'm more and more convinced that Disney will run this franchise into the ground, either by oversaturation, gentrification, or both.



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
abronn627 said:

I'm not ready to say that they're handling the franchise badly. You may have been disappointed by ep7, but overall they've took the right decisions. We should wait for the Last Jedi before judging thoses decisions. But one thing is clear, Star Wars is in better hand now than 5 years ago.

On the contrary, it's not really the quality that matters. Episode 7 could have been great and they'd still be mishandling the series.

http://www.businessinsider.com/star-wars-han-solo-movie-directors-phil-lord-christopher-miller-fired-2017-6

http://www.businessinsider.com/han-solo-movie-set-details-2017-6

and then there's the Rogue One incident, where they had to edit and reshoot a lot of the movie for millions of dollars(they hired someone to do it for 5 million, but it's unclear how much more it costed). 

Episode 7 being a disappointing, nay, bad movie, is just the cherry on top. But I'm willing to except that's just my opinion and that these movies will always make a profit. Just kind of sad to see a very inconsistent and badly managed franchise. Just thought it was well accepted by now in the community that Disney is not managing the films well, since it's well documented and there's even entire joke videos about it. 

Reshoot and rediting is normal during production and even if it costed millions to do so, they still generated 1 billion at box office with Rogue One. The result of this movie proved that even a spin-off can generate massive revenue, that they're willing to spend more because they felt that their movie was not good enough like it was.

As for the community, we can't really judge it's reaction or opinion because like very community, the opinion vary from people to people. I mean, they can't please everyone and at some point, they have to take a stand. Alot of fan are mad that somes of the story arcs from the Expanded Universe were left out, but at the same time, the EU was created by many writers with different approach and visions, we can't expect to respect everything, the movies would have been a mess. Disney decided that the EU was not canon anymore and that's enough for a part of the comunity to whine even today. If they think Disney is not managin the brand in a good way, fine that's their right, but at the same time, I'm not seeing anyone asking George Lucas to take charge again...

Just to be clear, I'm not defending them, I'm just trying to minimize the importance of this situation or the overall subject. I'll judge them once all 3 films will be released, but for now I'll have to give them something, Star Wars is growing.

 



abronn627 said:

Just to be clear, I'm not defending them, I'm just trying to minimize the importance of this situation or the overall subject. I'll judge them once all 3 films will be released, but for now I'll have to give them something, Star Wars is growing.

 

Then it's not really worth talking about with you. I'll admit my original post was a bit overblown, I agree that we should wait for the movies to be finished before judging them *entirely*. Putting my personal opinion on quality aside though, it's not really arguable that Disney has mismanaged the license. Yes they are making a profit , I already stated that. Doesn't change the issues they have had. You yourself are admitting to trying to minimize the subject/issue. Nothing wrong with ignoring how a movie is made, but in a thread solely about such a topic, trying to minimize it from the get go doesnt do anything positive.



shikamaru317 said:
Personally I'm ok with this, I never felt like Colin was right for Episode 9. He has very little directorial experience and only 1 hit, and none of his directorial experience was on a sci-fi movie. I feel like Disney jumped the gun by choosing him as director just because Jurassic World was a hit.

I just hope they find somebody good to replace him.

I feel there are a ton of directors who could of made jurassic world a hit.  The film was pretty average although still enjoyable.  

 

I think the public was just generally thirsty for a new jurassic Park and unless a director completely fucked up the film was always going to do well.  

 

So I don't think this guy should get too much credit over the film. 



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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
LipeJJ said:

But there is only one movie out. We should wait for the other 2 to come out.

Of course, but judging on them right NOW, I would say the trilogy is a creative failure. Disney keeps hiring directors that actually have a directorial voice, and then rejecting them over "creative differences". A company snooping around too much in the creation of a film is very rarely a good thing.

Yeah. Same with TV. I just started Star Wars: Rebels season 2 today, and although I'm enjoying it much more than I thought I would ( phew ), I still consider it to be inferior to The Clone Wars on basically every front. Part of this is due to the Disney sanitization of the show. Of couse, how much of this is due to Disney is up for speculation. Clone Wars dealt with death, the cost of war, made me care about bit characters. On Rebels.....they sometimes cop out. Oh, the whole town was razed by The Empire, but every single resident was spared? The characters go out of their way to say and repeat this in the dialogue. It's ok kids. Everybody's in jail. Although I enjoyed Rogue One as it is, I would have loved to see the darker version that was originally planned before Disney wrapped their tentacles around it.



- "If you have the heart of a true winner, you can always get more pissed off than some other asshole."

Good. I don't want a Jurassic World type movie in Star Wars. TBH though, I feel this guy is legitimately talented and has just been getting screwed by the production companies.



 

 

Director doesn't matter if the script isn't good, you could have Scorcese/Spielberg/Tarantino etc. director, means nothing with an average script.

I hope they push this back into the summer, Star Wars during the winter months is OK, but I prefer the May release dates.



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
abronn627 said:

Just to be clear, I'm not defending them, I'm just trying to minimize the importance of this situation or the overall subject. I'll judge them once all 3 films will be released, but for now I'll have to give them something, Star Wars is growing.

 

Then it's not really worth talking about with you. I'll admit my original post was a bit overblown, I agree that we should wait for the movies to be finished before judging them *entirely*. Putting my personal opinion on quality aside though, it's not really arguable that Disney has mismanaged the license. Yes they are making a profit , I already stated that. Doesn't change the issues they have had. You yourself are admitting to trying to minimize the subject/issue. Nothing wrong with ignoring how a movie is made, but in a thread solely about such a topic, trying to minimize it from the get go doesnt do anything positive.

I think I used the wrong word to express myself.

English is not my main language and maybe minimize was not necessarily the term I was looking for. I meant something like ''let's try to moderate ourselves'' or ''let's have a wait and see approach''. Maybe I used the right term, I don't know.

Anyway, I still think it's a good conversation to have. I know that sometimes, people may feel that I am a pessimist, but I try to keep my two feets on the ground as much as possible. And sometimes, it can be good to have an approach like that. You said yourselves that your original post was a bit overblown, I hope it's because of our converstation, if it's not, I won't try to get any credit for it. But I do think that sometimes, brining a more moderate opinion in a thread while it's still young, might help to not get it to overblown. So yes, minimize can be a positive thing sometime. And I'm not talking abouting trolling, this is just plainly wrong.

I think this conversation is interesting, but if you believe there's nothing more to add, I agree that we can move on something else.



I don't like the way things like this are going :/ art in the film industry is disappearing and being replaced by all of these cookie-cutter low-risk money-making rehashes. These are all the directors who simply didn't want to compromise on their artistic vision and walked away from the machine.

Despite this, I still hope that the movies turn out well overall. I liked Episode 7 one in some ways for sure, I hope that Disney sees the light =p