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A pre-emptive strike against North Korea?

Avoid loss of human lives at all costs! 128 28.64%
 
NK will never use those w... 147 32.89%
 
We should stop them befor... 71 15.88%
 
We should stop NK before NK causes a tragedy. 101 22.60%
 
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The only way I would be okay is if the USA had irrefutable proof that North Korea was about to launch missiles at allied population centers and not just posturing. Then a preemptive strike to save the lives of our allies would be acceptable.

Attacking without such proof would not only cause bloodshed that might have been avoided, but ratchet up tensions in the region (especially with China), and paint the USA as too aggressive.

If North Korea attacks first, then the USA and allies would have a free hand to destroy that regime as nobody could argue that it didn't present a clear threat.

If North Korea is only posturing then, economic sanctions should be continued until the populace has had enough and the regime collapses from internal pressure. However, contingent to that, there could be no humanitarian aid given until the Kims are out of power. It sounds harsh, but even just supplying basic needs would allow the Kims to continue their misuse of national resources and the abusive programs that keep them in control.



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Azuren said:
Soundwave said:

In fairness to North Korea, it is the US that went to war in their country. It is the US that surrounds their border with military bases and runs military drills simulating the destruction of their regime. 

It's not so easy to bully a country when they have nuclear weapons, most likely the US is going to have to swallow their pride here and conceed certain things to North Korea. 

I don't feel concessions should be made to any country that tries to pick fights with a super power just so it can continue being a massive cult.

Yeah and I don't think North Korea really gives a crap what you "feel" or about being liked. Their primary objective is to ensure the survival of their regime. The only difference is they're pretty fucking good at playing this game as opposed to some other "rogue states". 

At this point the US already has many allies with human rights issues and their no.1 trade partner is a so-called "communist" country in China. I guess what would really be the difference in normalizing relations with North Korea?

Give them economic incentives, in return they agree not to fire shit over Japan, tone down the rhetoric, and improve the living conditions of their citizens. IMO that's the only logical play here. 



Soundwave said:
Azuren said:

I don't feel concessions should be made to any country that tries to pick fights with a super power just so it can continue being a massive cult.

Yeah and I don't think North Korea really gives a crap what you "feel" or about being liked. Their primary objective is to ensure the survival of their regime. The only difference is they're pretty fucking good at playing this game as opposed to some other "rogue states". 

At this point the US already has many allies with human rights issues and their no.1 trade partner is a so-called "communist" country in China. I guess what would really be the difference in normalizing relations with North Korea. 

Give them economic incentives, in return they agree not to fire shit over Japan, tone down the rhetoric, and improve the living conditions of their citizens. IMO that's the only logical play here. 

So let me break down your post:

 

1. Fuck your "feels"

2. The US already has monsters on its team. We should add more instead of addressing the ones we have.

3. We should pay them not to attack us, because we're the bullies. Never mind that paying off our enemies has literally only ever emboldened them and has never actually accomplished anything.



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Arminillo said:
KLAMarine said:
No, China would object. NK gotta do something stupid enough to make China abandon it.

North Korea is Chinas only ally in that area

I consider the opposite to be closer to the truth: China is North Korea's only ally in the area. China values its economic relationships with South Korea, Japan, and the US, relationships more lucrative than the one it has with the heavily-sanctioned North Korea.

Arminillo said:

US is buddy buddy with Japan and South Korea, China will never abandon NK unless they did a direct strike on US mainland.

I can see China staging a land invasion of North Korea for the sake of maintaining a buffer zone between itself and US-ally South Korea. This is if North Korea were to attack the US or a US ally.



SegataSanshiro said:

No, too many innocent lives are at stake. The people who live there are spied on as their phone calls and such are all monitored. Thier electronics are well over 20 years old. They are fed constant propaganda. They are required to have a picture of their dictator in their homes. If we can save them it would be a revelation to them as they would feel they just got out of a cult. Those people are innocent.

If you don't think they are innocent. This is the kinda of stuff they are shown.

I know it's a serious problem, but this line just completely threw me for a loop: 

"This is how they live in modern-day America:  huddled together—the poor, the cold, the lonely, and the homosexuals."



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Azuren said:
Soundwave said:

Yeah and I don't think North Korea really gives a crap what you "feel" or about being liked. Their primary objective is to ensure the survival of their regime. The only difference is they're pretty fucking good at playing this game as opposed to some other "rogue states". 

At this point the US already has many allies with human rights issues and their no.1 trade partner is a so-called "communist" country in China. I guess what would really be the difference in normalizing relations with North Korea. 

Give them economic incentives, in return they agree not to fire shit over Japan, tone down the rhetoric, and improve the living conditions of their citizens. IMO that's the only logical play here. 

So let me break down your post:

 

1. Fuck your "feels"

2. The US already has monsters on its team. We should add more instead of addressing the ones we have.

3. We should pay them not to attack us, because we're the bullies. Never mind that paying off our enemies has literally only ever emboldened them and has never actually accomplished anything.

The conclusion is no one is willing to pay with the lives of potentially 10+ million people dead just to have Kim removed. 

Really is NK any worse than Saudi Arabia? China? Israel also commits human rights abuses. 

They're just more broke, which causes their people to suffer. 

If you want to be upset that they have nuclear weapons in the first place, blame George W. Bush. But they've had them now for 11+ years. That's the fact of the matter, and yes "our feels" doesn't change that at all. 

Are you willing to go fight in a land war in a radiated Korea fighting guerilla warfare style in a jungle? I doubt it.



AbbathTheGrim said:

With all the constant threatening from North Korea of nuking the US and our allies and recent apparent successful test of a hydrogen bomb, I was wondering what would be the position of people here that come from differnt countries regarding the idea of attacking and trying to stop NK's dictator before any possible use of such nuclear weapon happens.

The questions are as follow:

1) Are you ok with the US and Co. doing a pre-emptive strike against North Korea in an effort to stop this constant threat? If you say no, why?

2) If you think that a preemptive attack against NK should be avoided at all costs, what would be your position in a possible scenario where the procrastination of an intervention there results in North Korea striking first?

I'm polling this motherfucker so poll will be up soon.

NK wont strike first, the US is the agressor here with all their sanctions and military maneuvers , NK is reacting



Ruler said:
AbbathTheGrim said:

With all the constant threatening from North Korea of nuking the US and our allies and recent apparent successful test of a hydrogen bomb, I was wondering what would be the position of people here that come from differnt countries regarding the idea of attacking and trying to stop NK's dictator before any possible use of such nuclear weapon happens.

The questions are as follow:

1) Are you ok with the US and Co. doing a pre-emptive strike against North Korea in an effort to stop this constant threat? If you say no, why?

2) If you think that a preemptive attack against NK should be avoided at all costs, what would be your position in a possible scenario where the procrastination of an intervention there results in North Korea striking first?

I'm polling this motherfucker so poll will be up soon.

NK wont strike first, the US is the agressor here with all their sanctions and military maneuvers , NK is reacting

Ruler, I just want to say before you delve into this, that yes, the US regime has committed atrocities and numerous horrible thigns, and yes I'd consider them a threat to the world, but remember, there isn't always a good side. The North Korean regime is terrible. However, I personally am against wat because of the innocent lives that will be lost, and because I'm weary of the US's intentions.



Who wants WW3? Your video gaming days WILL be over. Fools. The UNSC has already said NO to a US first strike. China and Russia are NK allies and said no to a US strike. If NK attacks anyone, they are on their own. China and Russia will not support them. Trump will continue to goad NK to attack, that's all.



CaptainExplosion said:
Yes, only because it's gotten to the point where we have no other options.

North Korea needs to die.

So why arent you going into Korea now and fight for the US military if you wish so?