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Miyamotoo said:
Azuren said:
I disagree. Switch is selling great because you have the option to run it as a handheld. In fact, the decision to make they're next home console they're next handheld as well was a fit of genius.

With the exception of the Wii, Nintendo home console sales have dropped every generation. Nintendo mixed things up with the Wii, but the Wii U proved that lightning doesn't strike twice. Nintendo knew they had to mix things up, so they looked to their handhelds, which always sold reliably well. How do you make a home console sell like a handheld? Then someone asked, "What if it was also a handheld? What if we simply combine handheld and home consoles sales to create a more unified-yet-simplistic ecosystem?"

Give that man a raise.

In short, the Switch sells well because it's a handheld. It gets really good, high polish games because it's also a home console.

Yes, Switch is selling because options, option to use it like real handheld and option to use it like real home console, Switch is both in one package and that's one of main reasons why its saying great.

You can bet that Switch wouldn't sell nearly good if it's just only handheld with $300 price point.

Oh, I completely agree with that. No one wants a $300 handheld he said as he glared at the Vita launch price.

 

The Switch, like I said, is a really good idea. It plays off of Nintendo's strengths, not it's weaknesses. Heck, it's only real flaw right now isn't even game selection- it already has a number of high-profile titles like Breath of the Wild (GotY), Spla2n, and MK8 Deluxe (Not Mortal Kombat, lol). I would say it's single greatest flaw at this moment is Nintendo's absolute refusal to understand how online works.



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Miyamotoo said:
BraLoD said:

 

 

DélioPT said:

Look, when you say that Switch isn't a portable becaus it is priced as a home console, then you have to say that 3DS was a home console because because it was also priced as Wii.
If it sold well or not at 250, it's irrelant.
If you don't draw this same conclusion for the same situation, then you'll contradict yourself.

From a price only point of view, you have to be coherent.

I never said that Switch software wasn't priced as Wii or Wii U (actually, it's more as Wii U than as Wii). So, where am i wrong?
I just mentioned that there are other factors that you need to consider instead of reading the price factor as a Nintendo's decision to treat Switch as a home console and therefore, raising the price of it's games.
You need to consider that cartridges' prices also went up and if dev costs went up, prices naturally went up, making it almost irrelevant if we are talking about handhelds or home consoles. As in, taking those two aspects into consideration, even if Switch was just a handheld, prices would most likely be the same as they are today.

I never said that Switch isnt handheld also, again it's handheld and home console in same time, hybrid. Again, but 3DS didn't sell at $250 price because its to high and Nintendo needed to make very fast huge price cut because of that.

Fact is that Switch games have home console price point, and 3DS dont, you can't spin that.

Like you wrote, 3DS and any other hadheld had cartridges (but Switch/3DS/DS are using flash memory that are much cheaper compared to real past cartridges), and yet Switch game price are 33% more expansive. Like I wrote, why Switch games have AAA price point of home console, because obvious they are full home console AAA games that run at full home console mode.

If 3DS sold well or not at 250 is irrelevant; how long it took them to lower the price, likewise.
What matters is that it was first priced at 250.

Yeah, Switch games are priced like they were Wii U games.
You completely ignore that dev costs went up and cartridge costs went up aswell. And that isn't spin?

So while you say that they are "full console AAA games", instead of taking into consideration that those games automatically mean an increase in cost over 3DS games, you just ignore your own argument, because... Nintendo's view on Switch?
If you are going to say they are X type of games, than, in coherence, you have to say they have X type of dev costs.

DS and 3DS having cartridge games doesn't mean costs didn't go up for Switch cartridges.
Actually, seeing as Switch cartridges are bigger, it's only natural Nintendo/others pay more per cartridge.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2017/03/14/the-cost-of-nintendo-switch-cartridges-could-hurt-its-third-party-support/#779289c879d1
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-03-10-why-nintendo-switch-games-are-ending-up-more-expensive

Dev costs and cartridge prices probably had a bigger role on SW price for Switch, than you think.



The Switch is selling well because it's an amazing concept that can appeal to anyone. The handheld gamer, the solitary console gamer, the local multiplayer possibilities and the lapsed gamer who has very little time to play, where Switch fits around their lifestyle.



3DS came with a 3D camera and builtin games so launch price comparisons aren't really fair.



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RolStoppable said:
This thread is built on a wrong premise. It's trying to address people who said such a thing, but it misses the point. The core of the issue are not flawed arguments, but the need to downplay Nintendo's success. That's what needs to be addressed.

I would instead argue that the core issue is this sudden backlash to a well-known fact concerning the Japanese gaming market. Just the most recent charts released show Japan purchased over 50% more handhelds than home consoles that week



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Miyamotoo said:

-Switch is a hybrid, its handheld and home console in same time. Definitely it's not best fit like handheld because it's bigger and dont have very good battery life either.

-Switch has price point of Nintendo home console, not Nintendo handheld. Just look at launch prices of last few Nintendo home consoles, GC had launch price of $200, Wii of $200 and Wii U of $300 (it had version of $350 also). 3DS had launch price of $250 but it didnt sell very well, and start selling great only after price cut to $170 that received only 6 months after launch, while Switch is selling great with $300 and actualy Nintendo still cant keep up with demand.

-Switch games have price point of home console games, not of handheld (Switch AAA games are $60 same like they were for Wii and Wii U, 3DS/DS AAA games are $40).

You wrote yourself why it's doing great so far. 

It appeals to many handheld gamers and to many home console gamers. They targeted two target groups instead of one with their previous systems, so it isn't that surprising that the sum of these two target groups (early handheld adopters + early home console adopters) is larger than only appealing to one of these target groups, despite some compromises in each direction.

If the people they gained by that hybrid solution will be higher or lower in the long run than the people they lost (which would have prefered a faster console or a cheaper/smaller/lighter handheld), remains to be seen. But they can get a lot of these "lost customers" back later with different form factors for the Switch family, f.e. a Switch lite handheld and a stationary 4K-switch without screen+battery. 



The hybrid nature of the Switch gives it marketing flexibility. Nintendo can advertise the Switch as a console that can also be a handheld or a handheld that can also be used as a console. The former resonates with the western market while the latter resonates with the Japanese market.



I am kind of speechless that people are being defensive over this, of all things. It's like getting angry because someone says that being a home console helps the PS4 in North America.

The amusing thing is that pretty much every multiplat thread made on these forums is quickly filled with comments like, "I want the Switch version so I can play on the go."

Is portability a major advantage to selling well in Japan? Yes, it is. Is being a portable Nintendo console a major advantage to selling well in Japan? Yes, it is. I'm sorry, I know that's a bitter pill to swallow.

As far as the 3DS goes, that was obviously over-priced and everyone knew it from the start. The hardware was not worth the price and the gimmick obviously was not. I also seem to remember only die-hard Nintendo fans getting excited over it's launch games. The situations are not identical.



pokoko said:
I am kind of speechless that people are being defensive over this, of all things. It's like getting angry because someone says that being a home console helps the PS4 in North America.

The amusing thing is that pretty much every multiplat thread made on these forums is quickly filled with comments like, "I want the Switch version so I can play on the go."

Is portability a major advantage to selling well in Japan? Yes, it is. Is being a portable Nintendo console a major advantage to selling well in Japan? Yes, it is. I'm sorry, I know that's a bitter pill to swallow.

As far as the 3DS goes, that was obviously over-priced and everyone knew it from the start. The hardware was not worth the price and the gimmick obviously was not. I also seem to remember only die-hard Nintendo fans getting excited over it's launch games. The situations are not identical.

We agree on something. That's both unexpected and unsettling.



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RolStoppable said:
Azuren said:

I would instead argue that the core issue is this sudden backlash to a well-known fact concerning the Japanese gaming market. Just the most recent charts released show Japan purchased over 50% more handhelds than home consoles that week

Well, you are wrong.

Oh, so we're playing "no u"? Or are you saying that Japan didn't purchase more than 50% more handhelds than consoles based on VGC's most recent numbers?

 

Because then you would be wrong.



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