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Miyamotoo said:
Kerotan said:

Power is definitely one selling point.  I never said the only.  If the Switch was weaker it wouldn't justify it's price and wouldn't be as attractive.  Power is definitely a selling point and you should stop denying that.  Note: I never said the only selling point. 

I never said that you said it's only, but again, power isn't thing what selling Nintendo hardware. If Switch is powerful like Vita it couldn't really work like home console, Switch has enuf power that can run like solid hybrid devaice, and people buying Switch beacuse has great value like hybrid devaice.

The HappyBigAlchemist wrote a fantastic reply better then I ever could. So there is no need for me to continue repeating the same thing ad nauseum. Have a good read of his post because he's speaking a lot of sense and a lot of fact. 



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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Miyamotoo said:

I never said that you said it's only, but again, power isn't thing what selling Nintendo hardware. If Switch is powerful like Vita it couldn't really work like home console, Switch has enuf power that can run like solid hybrid devaice, and people buying Switch beacuse has great value like hybrid devaice.

Miyamotoo, you are clearly and utterly wrong. Kerotan's point is that the Switch is sellng in Japan mainly because it is a handheld and because it has enough power to run home-console quality games in a handheld form. 

Your response to this?

"No, like I said power is not what sells Nintendo consoles". Repeat this 2 times and it's supposed to work because ... you say so? No explanation, no paragraph backing up your claim, nothing. Just you repeating the same line over, and over, and over again. Which is infuriating to see pop up in my VGChartz Buddy box time and time again, because you're disagreeing with Kerotan for no reason but to argue! You even made an entire thread trying to downplay the Switch's handheld mode as a reason it's selling just so you could play-up the success of the Switch. "It's not selling because it's a portable guys!!!! It's not selling because it's a handheld guys!!!" What is the point of this other than to randomly deny claims and try to play up the success of the Switch? Nintendo handhelds are almost always successful and while I won't argue that making a successful handheld is automatically easy, at least in Japan, it is the primary reason it's selling. Get over it!

 

 

 

The fact is that while Nintendo consoles traditionally don't sell due to power, Switch is selling for a few key reasons, and one of them IS THE POWER of the console.

 

The Switch's price might be more in line with a home console but the price is justfied ONLY because it's a portable system as well. If Switch was selling at 300$ and it was just a home console it would do terribly. Now I know your rebuttle to this will be "but but ... it's a hybrid!" But the hybrid nature of the Switch is only a benefit on the handheld side of the market, not the home console side, since 300$ home consoles from Nintendo are expected and have an extremely inconsistent track record.

 

 

 

Kerotan is even agreeing with you that the Switch is selling because it's a hybrid, and instead of throwing him a bone you continue to needlessly argue because you want to downplay the portability as much as possible, so that you can make it seem like the success of the Switch is even more amazing. Tell me : in WHAT WORLD does it make sense to say that it's selling because it's a hybrid and not because it's a portable console? The mere idea is completely contradictory!!! In regions where portable consoles sell better, people are primarily picking up the Switch to use it as a portable. And in regions where home consoles are popular, people are picking it up for that feature. In regions where both are popular there is a chance for greater diversity which should consequently lead to more possible sales. 

I mean really, why is this even worth arguing about? What's so wrong with saying that Japan is buying it because it's powerful or because it's portable? 

Lol. When you take things out of context or ignoring what I wrote, fact is that power dont sell Nintendo hardware, and I mention 3DS like proof of that, you have also Wii and DS lite proof of that, or even GC for that matter.

Also, I agreed, with Kerotan that Switch is selling great on first place in Japan because it's partly handheldbut another huge deal is that Switch has very high value like hybrid device with two controllers out of box, so Switch is not selling just becuse it $300 handheld. And like I wrote to him, you could bet that only $300 handheld wouldn't see nearly like Switch is selling currently. I disagree with Kerotan on many points and gave him clear examples and strong point, in most cases fact, for each point. You are again wrong, I made thread to point that Switch is not selling only because it's partially handheld, but because hole hybrid concept with great value.

So you were obviously lying about things above.

 

 

Yes, Switch is selling beacuse few key reasons, but power is not one of them:

-Great hybrid concept, that allows console to act like real home console and like real handheld, and great value of such a concept especially because Switch comes with two controller for local multiplayer out of box.

-Great system seller launch and 1st year game, games that sells hardware (Zelda BotW, MK8D, Splatoon 2 and soon Mario Odyssey).

-Good marketing and branding, Switch marketing and branding is great, and doing great job.

 

 

Yes, $300 only just Switch home console would sell much worse than curent Switch, but same goes for only $300 only just Switch handheld, value of Switch would be much worse in any case than curent Switch has.

 

You are again lying, beacuse from start I saying that Switch is seling great beacuse of hybrid concept, and I agree with him that Switch like hybrid has good price and very good value. My point is very simple, Switch wouldn't sell like is selling now even in Japan, if it's just $300 handheld, like I wrote, Switch has very high value like hybrid device with two controllers out of box.

 

 

 

Kerotan said:
Miyamotoo said:

I never said that you said it's only, but again, power isn't thing what selling Nintendo hardware. If Switch is powerful like Vita it couldn't really work like home console, Switch has enuf power that can run like solid hybrid devaice, and people buying Switch beacuse has great value like hybrid devaice.

The HappyBigAlchemist wrote a fantastic reply better then I ever could. So there is no need for me to continue repeating the same thing ad nauseum. Have a good read of his post because he's speaking a lot of sense and a lot of fact. 

 

That fantastic reply is full of lies and things out of context, and I already answered to him. ;)



Miyamotoo said:

Lol. When you take things out of context or ignoring what I wrote, fact is that power dont sell Nintendo hardware, and I mention 3DS like proof of that, you have also Wii and DS lite proof of that, or even GC for that matter.

Also, I agreed, with Kerotan that Switch is selling great on first place in Japan because it's partly handheldbut another huge deal is that Switch has very high value like hybrid device with two controllers out of box, so Switch is not selling just becuse it $300 handheld. And like I wrote to him, you could bet that only $300 handheld wouldn't see nearly like Switch is selling currently. I disagree with Kerotan on many points and gave him clear examples and strong point, in most cases fact, for each point. You are again wrong, I made thread to point that Switch is not selling only because it's partially handheld, but because hole hybrid concept with great value.

So you were obviously lying about things above.

 

 

Yes, Switch is selling beacuse few key reasons, but power is not one of them:

-Great hybrid concept, that allows console to act like real home console and like real handheld, and great value of such a concept especially because Switch comes with two controller for local multiplayer out of box.

-Great system seller launch and 1st year game, games that sells hardware (Zelda BotW, MK8D, Splatoon 2 and soon Mario Odyssey).

-Good marketing and branding, Switch marketing and branding is great, and doing great job.

 

 

Yes, $300 only just Switch home console would sell much worse than curent Switch, but same goes for only $300 only just Switch handheld, value of Switch would be much worse in any case than curent Switch has.

 

You are again lying, beacuse from start I saying that Switch is seling great beacuse of hybrid concept, and I agree with him that Switch like hybrid has good price and very good value. My point is very simple, Switch wouldn't sell like is selling now even in Japan, if it's just $300 handheld, like I wrote, Switch has very high value like hybrid device with two controllers out of box.

Damn. I never knew I could be so wrong. I am however, curious as to how I can be a liar. See, I am wearing shorts at the moment, and they are actually quite moist, due to an accident with the hose out front. Prove to me now how I can scientifically be wrong.



@miyamotoo a $300 handheld Switch would actually still sell the same because of splatoon 2.

And you keep saying power isn't one of the reasons it's selling.

But on the other hand you mention it's power is necessary for it to succeed as a functioning hybrid.

Checkmate.



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Miyamotoo said:

Lol. When you take things out of context or ignoring what I wrote, fact is that power dont sell Nintendo hardware, and I mention 3DS like proof of that, you have also Wii and DS lite proof of that, or even GC for that matter.

Also, I agreed, with Kerotan that Switch is selling great on first place in Japan because it's partly handheldbut another huge deal is that Switch has very high value like hybrid device with two controllers out of box, so Switch is not selling just becuse it $300 handheld. And like I wrote to him, you could bet that only $300 handheld wouldn't see nearly like Switch is selling currently. I disagree with Kerotan on many points and gave him clear examples and strong point, in most cases fact, for each point. You are again wrong, I made thread to point that Switch is not selling only because it's partially handheld, but because hole hybrid concept with great value.

So you were obviously lying about things above.

 

 

Yes, Switch is selling beacuse few key reasons, but power is not one of them:

-Great hybrid concept, that allows console to act like real home console and like real handheld, and great value of such a concept especially because Switch comes with two controller for local multiplayer out of box.

-Great system seller launch and 1st year game, games that sells hardware (Zelda BotW, MK8D, Splatoon 2 and soon Mario Odyssey).

-Good marketing and branding, Switch marketing and branding is great, and doing great job.

 

 

Yes, $300 only just Switch home console would sell much worse than curent Switch, but same goes for only $300 only just Switch handheld, value of Switch would be much worse in any case than curent Switch has.

 

You are again lying, beacuse from start I saying that Switch is seling great beacuse of hybrid concept, and I agree with him that Switch like hybrid has good price and very good value. My point is very simple, Switch wouldn't sell like is selling now even in Japan, if it's just $300 handheld, like I wrote, Switch has very high value like hybrid device with two controllers out of box.

Damn. I never knew I could be so wrong. I am however, curious as to how I can be a liar. See, I am wearing shorts at the moment, and they are actually quite moist, due to an accident with the hose out front. Prove to me now how I can scientifically be wrong.

1. "Kerotan's point is that the Switch is selling in Japan mainly because it is a handheld and because it has enough power to run home-console quality games in a handheld form."

-First Kerotan never wrote something like that in one sentence, or my answer to something like that was "No, like I said power is not what sells Nintendo consoles", I actually agreed with Kerotan that Switch is selling on first place because it's partly handheld in Japan.  So, wrong or lie, like you suit more.

2. "No, like I said power is not what sells Nintendo consoles". Repeat this 2 times and it's supposed to work because ... you say so? No explanation, no paragraph backing up your claim, nothing.

-My answer, "fact is that power dont sell Nintendo hardware, and I mention 3DS like proof of that, you have also Wii and DS like proof of that, or even GC for that matter". So, wrong or lie, like you suit more.

3. "It's not selling because it's a portable guys!!!! It's not selling because it's a handheld guys!!!"

-My answer, "I made thread to point that Switch is not selling only because it's partially handheld, but because hole hybrid concept with great value". So, wrong or lie, like you suit more.

4. "Kerotan is even agreeing with you that the Switch is selling because it's a hybrid, and instead of throwing him a bone you continue to needlessly argue because you want to downplay the portability as much as possible, so that you can make it seem like the success of the Switch is even more amazing."

-My answer, "from start I saying that Switch is seling great beacuse of hybrid concept, and I agree with him that Switch like hybrid has good price and very good value". So, wrong or lie, like you suit more.


You were maybe just not on purpose wrong, but hole your post sounds very angry and you accusing me through hole post even it was obvious you were wrong, so I maybe thought that from those reasons you were wrong (or lied) on purpose. I am sory if that isnt a case and I call you a liar beacuse of that.


Kerotan said:
@miyamotoo a $300 handheld Switch would actually still sell the same because of splatoon 2. 

And you keep saying power isn't one of the reasons it's selling. But on the other hand you mention it's power is necessary for it to succeed as a functioning hybrid. 

Checkmate.

Lol, of course that $300 only Switch handheld wouldn't sell same, despite Splatoon 2 (also remember that Switch was completely outsold from launch and monts before Splatoon 2 launch, so its not like that Switch is selling in Japan only beacuse of Splatoon 2), value of whole system would be much less in evre case, so despite Splatoon 2 (or any other game) much less people would be willing to pay $300 for only handheld device, espacily handheld thats not exatly best handheld (because its size it's definitely not most practical and definitely don't have good battery life). In that case Switch would probably need to have fast price cut, similar like 3DS did.

When people buying Switch they look at hybrid nature of Switch and games, they don't look at power of Switch, they dont look how much CPU and GPU are strong, or what type and amont of RAM has, people watching those things when looking XB1/PS4/Pro/Scorpio beacuse they are just traditional home consoles and there are differences in resolution or frame rate in huge number of multi platform games depending on hardware.

Not even close, you are terrible in chess. :)



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Splatoon 2's attach ratio says otherwise. Most who bought it before launch actually bought splatoon 2. And while some people night not buy it in Japan if it was portable only demand for Switch right now is multiple times higher then stock so it would easily still sell the same. Portability and Splatoon 2 are currently the main reasons.

In Japan the fact it's a hybrid and the fact it's powerful are secondary reasons why it sells.



Kerotan said:
Splatoon 2's attach ratio says otherwise. Most who bought it before launch actually bought splatoon 2. And while some people night not buy it in Japan if it was portable only demand for Switch right now is multiple times higher then stock so it would easily still sell the same. Portability and Splatoon 2 are currently the main reasons.

In Japan the fact it's a hybrid and the fact it's powerful are secondary reasons why it sells.

Splatoon 2 attach rate show us thats must have game for Switch and system seller game, it doesn't say anything else, definitely doesn't says how sales would be if Switch is $300 only handheld, lol. Again, pure fact is that Switch was completely outsold from launch and monts before Splatoon 2 launch, so its not like that Switch is selling in Japan only beacuse of Splatoon 2. I agree that portabilete and games (not only Splatoon 2), but also great value of Switch like hybrid (real home console and real handheld in one with two controllers out of box for local multiplayer), are main reasons why Switch is selling so well. If Switch is $300 only handheld definitely would sell less in any case.

Power is not even secondary reason, nobady who buying Switch doesnt relly cares how much CPU and GPU are strong, or what type and amont of RAM has Switch.



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Carl2291 said:

http://kotaku.com/the-nintendo-switch-keeps-outselling-the-ps4-in-japan-1798691215

Pretty good article with some really interesting charts and graphs. For those not in the know, be enlightened. This should put things into perspective.

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It took the Nintendo Switch 26 Weeks to sell 1,527,962 units, while in comparison, it took the PlayStation 4 a total 69 Weeks to sell a similar number. 

Figures come from Media Create.

Lol, this almost got me. Of course a new well designed and fun console is out selling a 4 year old co sole and that stat where it took the ps4 69 weeks as opposed to the switches 26 that is once again the current sales of the 4 year old ps4 compared to the extremely new switch. How and why is this shocking. Im very glad to see Nintendo doing well though, i love competition since it helps drive innovation



Miyamotoo said:
Kerotan said:
Splatoon 2's attach ratio says otherwise. Most who bought it before launch actually bought splatoon 2. And while some people night not buy it in Japan if it was portable only demand for Switch right now is multiple times higher then stock so it would easily still sell the same. Portability and Splatoon 2 are currently the main reasons.

In Japan the fact it's a hybrid and the fact it's powerful are secondary reasons why it sells.

Splatoon 2 attach rate show us thats must have game for Switch and system seller game, it doesn't say anything else, definitely doesn't says how sales would be if Switch is $300 only handheld, lol. Again, pure fact is that Switch was completely outsold from launch and monts before Splatoon 2 launch, so its not like that Switch is selling in Japan only beacuse of Splatoon 2. I agree that portabilete and games (not only Splatoon 2), but also great value of Switch like hybrid (real home console and real handheld in one with two controllers out of box for local multiplayer), are main reasons why Switch is selling so well. If Switch is $300 only handheld definitely would sell less in any case.

Power is not even secondary reason, nobady who buying Switch doesnt relly cares how much CPU and GPU are strong, or what type and amont of RAM has Switch.

It's also a fact that before splatoon 2 launched people were getting their switches in anticipation for it.  Splatoon 2 was the main seller and if switch was a $300 handheld it would have easily sold the same.  

 

The portability is the main selling point in Japan.