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tbone51 on 31 August 2017
Kerotan said:
tbone51 said:

The way capcom treated it doesnt show but who knows. In your opinion what were expectations for this game (capcom's and no i wont argue with your answer)

When announced I expected 500k FW and 1m+ LTD. 

 

After it appeared to underperform and then MHW ps4?announcement further knocking the wind from its sails I expected 200k+ at launch.  

 

Way below my expectations despite it having a bundle. 

Nooo not you. I said what do you think, Capcom expectations were. 



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outlawauron on 31 August 2017
Soundwave said:
outlawauron said:

Most expectations for when it was announced was ~200-250k FW, and only that low because of the series fatigue. How long the Switch has been out is irrelevant because it's a very popular console and in extremely high demand in Japan. A Monster Hunter title with a nice bundle should have done 6 figures.  The game barely sold through half of its shipment FW, and I don't see how you can call it anything other than a flop at this point. Maybe it'll do well as the Switch continues to sell (wouldn't surprise me), but at the moment, it's absolutely a flop. I don't think it means that a MH World Portable wouldn't do well on Switch, but this still sold worse than anyone expected.

For a series like Monster Hunter, you have different standards for what you expect these later versions to do. I don't see how it can be spinned into anything else. I think the only reason why expectations were tempered so much is because we knew that it was doing horribly from COMG and other preorder numbers.

Capcom better get used to lower sales for the MH franchise in general. MHW on PS4 is doing 1.5 mill tops if they're lucky in Japan ... a far, far, far cry from the days of doing 4+ million on the PSP and 3DS. 

Monster Hunter 5 on Switch is going to have to happen, the whole reason the franchise is so big in Japan to begin with is because the portability allowed kids/teenagers to play together during school breaks on the go, that's why it's never been nearly as big locked to a home console. 

Oh, I agree. The series is no longer at its peak and will continue to die until they re-invent it or strike gold in another way (I think they're trying to change things up with MHW, not sure if it'll work though). That didn't really have much to do with my post, but as far as future plans for the series, don't be surprised as more and more Japanese publishers look to the West instead of relying on a recessing market. It has worked out very well with Sony and Square Enix, and I expected for Namco and Capcom to do so as well.

tbone51 said:
outlawauron said:

Most expectations for when it was announced was ~200-250k FW, and only that low because of the series fatigue. How long the Switch has been out is irrelevant because it's a very popular console and in extremely high demand in Japan. A Monster Hunter title with a nice bundle should have done 6 figures.  The game barely sold through half of its shipment FW, and I don't see how you can call it anything other than a flop at this point. Maybe it'll do well as the Switch continues to sell (wouldn't surprise me), but at the moment, it's absolutely a flop. I don't think it means that a MH World Portable wouldn't do well on Switch, but this still sold worse than anyone expected.

For a series like Monster Hunter, you have different standards for what you expect these later versions to do. I don't see how it can be spinned into anything else. I think the only reason why expectations were tempered so much is because we knew that it was doing horribly from COMG and other preorder numbers.

Switch being new still is relevant actually because if your a MH fan doesnt mean you have a switch. Remember its still very hard to even get a switch. Look at when MH Switch was announced. Switch sold almost 1mil (talking about people buying it not for MH) and since then its been the splatoon fans buying it up. How many MH fans dont even have a switch at this point? I mean if it were available like wiiu or 3ds was when the MH games came out then sure you might be right but Switch is a special case in that reguard. You think pokemon fans have a switch if a game would be announced in 3 months with all this high demand?

 

And MH bundle should have done 6 figures when splatoon2 couldnt do it. What kind of statement is that? Switch is still in the bad supply phase bro!

And now selling just under half of shipment is a flop right? Especially when MH fans still cant even get a switch if they wanted too. Not even all the people that want splat2 have a switch yet.

 

Disappointing numbers for aure because its monster Hunter but realistically like i said previously its a port of a port that came out less than 6 months ago of a spin off. 85k is low but no flop. We seen flops but.... Well this wont go anywhere :/

I don't think that Switch's low userbase means it doesn't have Monster Hunter fans on it (unless you're arguing that traditional Nintendo fans are not MH fans, which I could see some argument there). It's one of the biggest series in JP and it doesn't need to have a big cross section of hunting game fans to do well. While Splatoon does appeal far more to children than MH, we're talking about super mainstream titles with very wide appeal. For a Pokemon comparison, I would think that a port of Sun/Moon would do 400-500k FW?

For the bundle part, you misunderstand me. I think that with the increase hype and appeal of adding a bundle, I think MHXX should have pushed 100k. Just the software, not Switch HW.

For shipment part, I do think MH selling half its FW shipment is a flop. While the series has decent legs, that's much lower than previous entries. How many people were able to get ahold of Switch itself is irrelevant when freaking ARMS sold more than MHXX FW.

Wouldn't the fact that the game isn't very old help its sales? I know that "very late port" is often used as a reason for low sales. ¯_(ツ)_/¯



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Kerotan on 31 August 2017
tbone51 said:
Kerotan said:

When announced I expected 500k FW and 1m+ LTD. 

 

After it appeared to underperform and then MHW ps4?announcement further knocking the wind from its sails I expected 200k+ at launch.  

 

Way below my expectations despite it having a bundle. 

Nooo not you. I said what do you think, Capcom expectations were. 

Capcom over expect for most titles lately so probably a lot more then what mhxx did