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Why is he calling last gen Gen 3? Even if he was only talking about it in terms of FIFA, the first FIFA game was during the SNES gen.



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Rem87919394 said:
If they didn't put it on Switch then you guys would complain. They put it on Switch and you guys complain. Companies aren't purposely trying to lose money. The Switch audience isn't a target audience anyways. It'd be dumb to put maixum effort and resources into something where you won't get your return. They'll put a half decent port and like Street Fighter Switch owners will still buy it lol. Of course PlayStation is their main focus. That's where these companies are making the most money. No one buys a Switch to play third party games

Except, third party games on the Switch have done relatively well so far, and don't give me that bull "there's nothing to plays" there's well over a hundred titles. The Wii U didn't have many third party games, but even with a bigger install base (right now) the Switch' third party games are doing pretty good.



Mr Puggsly said:
sc94597 said:
I don't see why people are complaining. Engines are just tools. They used the best tool to create the most polished experience they could considering all other factors (cost, time, hardware capabilities, etc.) There are always trade-offs, and it doesn't seem to me like this is a weak effort.

People are upset because they feel Switch should be getting an experience at par with X1 and PS4.

I think its certainly possible to get Frostbite on Switch and create a more feature complete version of Fifa 18 on Switch. That's based on the great ports of BF on 7th gen consoles.

Frankly, if I was a Fifa fan I would just buy it on X1 or PS4. But if all you have is Switch, PS3, or 360. Then settle with what you get, maybe wait for a price cut, or don't play it all. Its really that simple.

Frankly, Switch owners should be glad when they get significant 3rd party games. Because there isn't much happening at the moment.

Beacuse people are familiar with power difrence, any reasonable person on Switch don't expect same experience that is at par with X1 and PS4.

It's definitely possible to get current version of Frostbite on Switch, but that would probably mean 720p-900p resolution and lower FPS, in this case you are getting 1080p/60fps.

Biggest advantage of Fifa 18 for Switch is full handheld mode, and playing local multiplayer even in handheld/tabletop mode.



Why do you people care so much if it is Frostbite or not on the Switch?
Would I want the latest and greatest, sure! But Its far more important to have fun playing a game, heck, I recall having immense fun with FIFA 98 for the PC.
The Switch is at its Core a Handheld and for it to be able to play Xbox 360/PS3/Wii-U and above quality games on the go is something truly magical.
If you own a PS4 or Xbox One then buy the FIFA game for it if you don´t think that having it portable is useful. I have played more games on my Switch then I had ever done on my Xbox 360 / PS3 or my Gaming PC (exclusion of Eu4).
The Switch is superb and having a FIFA game, regardless of Engine, is good news and should be embraced as such.



SuperNova said:

“If you put the two together you won’t recognise them. When you dock it (and connect to the TV), it’s 1080p and 60 frames per second – Gen 3 (PS3 / Xbox 360) never run on this. We’re also using physics based rendering, another thing that Gen 3 did not have. We’re even putting ICONS in Ultimate Team – Gen 3 won’t have these either.”

I like how EA apparently thinks that gaming has begun with the Playstation and everything that came before doesn't exist.

LOl it isn't that. It is when 3D first started. That is how they count their gens.



 

 

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Miyamotoo said:
Mr Puggsly said:

People are upset because they feel Switch should be getting an experience at par with X1 and PS4.

I think its certainly possible to get Frostbite on Switch and create a more feature complete version of Fifa 18 on Switch. That's based on the great ports of BF on 7th gen consoles.

Frankly, if I was a Fifa fan I would just buy it on X1 or PS4. But if all you have is Switch, PS3, or 360. Then settle with what you get, maybe wait for a price cut, or don't play it all. Its really that simple.

Frankly, Switch owners should be glad when they get significant 3rd party games. Because there isn't much happening at the moment.

Beacuse people are familiar with power difrence, any reasonable person on Switch don't expect same experience that is at par with X1 and PS4.

It's definitely possible to get current version of Frostbite on Switch, but that would probably mean 720p-900p resolution and lower FPS, in this case you are getting 1080p/60fps.

Biggest advantage of Fifa 18 for Switch is full handheld mode, and playing local multiplayer even in handheld/tabletop mode.

I didn't mean visual fidelity when I said at par, perhaps I should have clarified. But I think people really want the same Frostbite game on their Switch with little compromise and we don't know how feasible that is, especially when it comes to good graphics with a smooth frame rate.

I think sports games are the only titles that achieve 1080p/60 fps on PS4 and X1. On Switch they would probably aim for 720p docked just to dedicate more resources to graphics, its also unlike they would achieve 60 fps.

Fifa on Switch seems to be a solid product on portable specs. There seems to be compromises made either way EA goes.



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Let's take a step back and look at the video below

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nidL2YFGkk4

 

 

what is so wrong with this? i'd play it.



 

 

Nuvendil said:
...they do remember that Frostbite was a PS360 engine first, right? Also, hilarious they argue didn't want to have a cut down version but then excluded the story mode from the Switch version. Grade A logic on display here.

I think it's fair to assume that the current version of FB3 has outgrown its initial cross-gen design. It's been 2+ years since it was last used on the PS3/360 (their version of FIFA18 isn't running on FB3 either), and we've seen a sharp increase in the technical quality of FB3 titles since then (and in the specs needed to run many of those titles). My guess is that the Switch version is actually running on FB3, but an adapted version of an old build and they decided they didn't want to associate it with the current version.



Nothing he said makes any sense.

First he said he doesn't want to make it a second rate version by putting Frostbite on Switch and then downscale everything. And then he starts comparing it to the PS3/X360 version. But it's still the same as a second rate version of the PS4 version. Maybe not in features but graphically. So the end result is still a scaled down version from the Frostbite version on PS4.

So what exactly did they gain here? I can only imagine that Frostbite just didn't run properly on the Switch and they had to switch to a custom engine.



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Mr Puggsly said:
Miyamotoo said:

Beacuse people are familiar with power difrence, any reasonable person on Switch don't expect same experience that is at par with X1 and PS4.

It's definitely possible to get current version of Frostbite on Switch, but that would probably mean 720p-900p resolution and lower FPS, in this case you are getting 1080p/60fps.

Biggest advantage of Fifa 18 for Switch is full handheld mode, and playing local multiplayer even in handheld/tabletop mode.

I didn't mean visual fidelity when I said at par, perhaps I should have clarified. But I think people really want the same Frostbite game on their Switch with little compromise and we don't know how feasible that is, especially when it comes to good graphics with a smooth frame rate.

I think sports games are the only titles that achieve 1080p/60 fps on PS4 and X1. On Switch they would probably aim for 720p docked just to dedicate more resources to graphics, its also unlike they would achieve 60 fps.

Fifa on Switch seems to be a solid product on portable specs. There seems to be compromises made either way EA goes.

People want game thats put effor in it (in this case port thats done good) on their Switch, it doesn't really matters if its Frostbite of custom engine, I am pretty sure more people would choose 1080p/60fps with custom engine, than 720p/900p with lower FPS thats Frostbite. And it seem that EA done good job with Fifa for Switch in any case.

 

vivster said:
Nothing he said makes any sense.

First he said he doesn't want to make it a second rate version by putting Frostbite on Switch and then downscale everything. And then he starts comparing it to the PS3/X360 version. But it's still the same as a second rate version of the PS4 version. Maybe not in features but graphically. So the end result is still a scaled down version from the Frostbite version on PS4.

So what exactly did they gain here? I can only imagine that Frostbite just didn't run properly on the Switch and they had to switch to a custom engine.

They gained 720p/60fps in portable mode and 1080p/60fps in docked mode, something like that couldn't be achieved with Frostbite 3 engine on Switch.