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zero129 said:
Azuren said:

Did I say you were a pirate? Or did I simply respond to you with the same animosity you attacked me with? Honestly, how do you expect to come to any sort of conflict resolution when your line of questioning starts with what is essentially "Tell the truth: you're just a petty twat, aren't you"? You create these hostile debates by entering then with the intention of fighting, when I know you're perfectly capable of discussing these things in a civilized manner.

 

Stop pretending I'm attacking you, and stop attacking people who don't agree with you. That's something a fascist would do, and I'm pretty sure you're not a fascist.

Yes you did. All you have to do is look at your first few replys before i even replied back to you and you can clearly see you where pointing to me being a pirate. Anyway i personally dont care what you think of me or what you think of emulation as your opinion is too biased (About losing exclusives as you pretty much admited) to have a proper conversation or for you too look past your bias and see how worth while emulation is.

Instead of looking at how RPCS3 is now you should look to what it will be. Its pretty much no use to any normal user at this time and wont be for a very long time. The Casual group of people who is into emulation wont get into RPCS3 until its running pretty much perfect and can play PS3 games upscaled to higher res's and adding extra effects like with Dolphin. They will also want it to be mostly playable on their gaming Cpu's and not needing to overclock or buy a cpu just for emulation. So the is no point in being like "OMG People can play Persona 5 at like 15-30fps with worse effects then on my console and its costing them maybe 3 times the amount of my PS4 and like 10 times the cost of my PS3" .  like even if every single person who used an emu used it to pirate its only a very very tiny number thanks to needing a pc build around emulation, and hey lets face it how many people do you think is going to do that?. Even more so how many pirates do you think is going to do that?.

Most of the people using RPCS3 right now like with other early emus will be doing so for testing etc. Its at no stage for the biggest part of the emu group and is at a stage where its for people like me who like to mess around with things and report my findings.

But like i said i dont expect you do know this or understand this as its clear when it comes to the emulation scene your in the dark and dont care about it otherwise you would understand how silly it is with the big deal you guys are making about piracy.

If I actually did call you a pirate prior to your attack, I'd like for you to point it out so I can apologize, since my mindset in this thread has been to avoid directly calling any single person anything. As for biased opinions, I would say yours is just as biased as mine, so I'm not sure where you get off stating that to begin with. Also would like you to point out where I said "I don't want emulators because of exclusives". Protip: pointing out that some do want emulators because of exclusives isn't the same thing. It's simple an observation.

 

Or just keep calling me biased. Pot; meet kettle.



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Conina said:
Oneeee-Chan!!! said:

Minecraft is released Nov 2011.

MS bought Mojang Sep 2014.

MS could have stopped the release of the PS4 version in September 2014 (or do you really think Mojang would have risked the deal by releasing the PS4 version without Microsoft's blessing?)... they didn't.

MS could have stopped the release of the Vita version in October 2014... they didn't.

MS could have decided to not support the Wii U with Minecraft in 2015... they didn't.

MS could have decided to not support the Switch with Minecraft in 2017... they didn't.

MS could have decided to let the PlayStation and Nintendo versions die by not supporting these with patches and content updates... they didn't:

So that possiblity means that  Minecraft become XBOX exclusive.

Do you hope it ?

 

 



Oneeee-Chan!!! said:
Conina said:

MS could have stopped the release of the PS4 version in September 2014 (or do you really think Mojang would have risked the deal by releasing the PS4 version without Microsoft's blessing?)... they didn't.

MS could have stopped the release of the Vita version in October 2014... they didn't.

MS could have decided to not support the Wii U with Minecraft in 2015... they didn't.

MS could have decided to not support the Switch with Minecraft in 2017... they didn't.

MS could have decided to let the PlayStation and Nintendo versions die by not supporting these with patches and content updates... they didn't:

 

So that possiblity means  Minecraft become XBOX exclusive.

Do you hope it ?

No, why should I hope for less people able to play good games?



Cerebralbore101 said:
Atlus developed games will never come to Steam. Persona 5 has a better chance of seeing a Switch port than it does a PC port. Atlus has a track record of porting Persona games to handhelds. Meanwhile not even Catherine is on Steam.

Emulation threads should be locked. Unless you own the game it's basically stealing.

No.Emulation isn't stealing is a tool for backing up your games to your computer in case that sh!t happens to your console or games.Furthermore if like you say, Atlus don't care about steam. So Pc only gamers now have the choice to try that game totaly unknown for many, and give them the chance to do what's right and buy the game withouthaving a Ps3 or a PS4.

Why you care in first place? This game isn't a system seller. If at this point you don't have a Ps4, you don't care about it. Plus the Ps3 is already dead ,discontinued in Na and Jp ,so virtually discontinued all over the world. Sony have turned since the Ps3 totally anticonsumer, The blind guardian was aimed for the Ps3 but Sony hold it until they can with disastrous consecuences.Wasn't all that well received by this gen and lost momentum, resulting in poor sales.

I suspect the same happened to this Persona 5 ,probably was put to hold until now and was already done in the Ps3 period. So unfair for us Ps3 owners and they loss a lot of money with this clumsy behaviour. So your opinion is totally biased without solid fundaments. Piracy didn't ruin the console market. Shady practices like smartphones games and f2p bland indy games in one side, and for consoles: multiplayers,dlc,microtransactions, season passes, and huge patches product of overhurried products. Supporting these practices is what actually turns the market even worse. Not a stupid emulator completely unknow for many and released since 2011. Just make your own research and don't misjudge because you lve in your own closed world.Period.



Conina said:
Oneeee-Chan!!! said:

So that possiblity means  Minecraft become XBOX exclusive.

Do you hope it ?

No, why should I hope for less people able to play good games?

Nothing wrong. Good bye.



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Suky said:
Cerebralbore101 said:
Atlus developed games will never come to Steam. Persona 5 has a better chance of seeing a Switch port than it does a PC port. Atlus has a track record of porting Persona games to handhelds. Meanwhile not even Catherine is on Steam.

Emulation threads should be locked. Unless you own the game it's basically stealing.

No.Emulation isn't stealing is a tool for backing up your games to your computer in case that sh!t happens to your console or games.Furthermore if like you say, Atlus don't care about steam. So Pc only gamers now have the choice to try that game totaly unknown for many, and give them the chance to do what's right and buy the game withouthaving a Ps3 or a PS4.

Why you care in first place? This game isn't a system seller. If at this point you don't have a Ps4, you don't care about it. Plus the Ps3 is already dead ,discontinued in Na and Jp ,so virtually discontinued all over the world. Sony have turned since the Ps3 totally anticonsumer, The blind guardian was aimed for the Ps3 but Sony hold it until they can with disastrous consecuences.Wasn't all that well received by this gen and lost momentum, resulting in poor sales.

I suspect the same happened to this Persona 5 ,probably was put to hold until now and was already done in the Ps3 period. So unfair for us Ps3 owners and they loss a lot of money with this clumsy behaviour. So your opinion is totally biased without solid fundaments. Piracy didn't ruin the console market. Shady practices like smartphones games and f2p bland indy games in one side, and for consoles: multiplayers,dlc,microtransactions, season passes, and huge patches product of overhurried products. Supporting these practices is what actually turns the market even worse. Not a stupid emulator completely unknow for many and released since 2011. Just make your own research and don't misjudge because you lve in your own closed world.Period.

You are so far behind on this thread, that everything in your first paragraph is either a strawman argument, or has been addressed by me ten times over already.  You then go into nothing more than conspiracy theories over the delay of P5, without even understanding that Sony didn't publish or develop the game. So bad smartphone games ruined the console industry? Ok. Everything else you list as "ruining the console industry" also happens on PC (multiplayers,dlc,microtransactions, season passes, and huge patches product of overhurried products).



zero129 said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

You are so far behind on this thread, that everything in your first paragraph is either a strawman argument, or has been addressed by me ten times over already.  You then go into nothing more than conspiracy theories over the delay of P5, without even understanding that Sony didn't publish or develop the game. So bad smartphone games ruined the console industry? Ok. Everything else you list as "ruining the console industry" also happens on PC (multiplayers,dlc,microtransactions, season passes, and huge patches product of overhurried products).

His points hold true and is something you have not answered.

Point1. PC Only gamers who wouldnt be buying a PS3 or 4 for this game in the first place now get to try it and might possibly do the right thing and buy it if they enjoy it. This equals a sale instead of a lost sale as that person would of never intended to buy the original console for the game in the first place.

Point2. If a person doesnt already own a PS4 or a PS3 they clearly didnt have any intention of buying one for Persona 5 so how is it a lost sale?.

The one using strawman tactics in this thread is you.

You call everyone who uses emulators pirates.

You blame PC gamers for Piracy on consoles.

and then like i said when you do reply you use strawman tactics to try ignoring whats being said and keep blaming PC for piracy and emulation for ruining console gaming.

He starts off by assuming that I'm saying all emulators are bad. This was his strawman argument. He then claims that people are going to pirate the game and then buy it later. This has been addressed before. I've already made it clear that if you don't own a copy of a game that is still on store shelves for a current gen console, and you are playing it on PC you are stealing. If they eventually go out and buy the game, it's not a lost sale, but that doesn't mean that the initially pirated game wasn't stolen. Not to mention the majority of people that do this sort of thing never go out and buy the game after pirating it. 

If you own a physical copy of the game but choose to play it on PC you are not stealing. I said that all the way back in your BotW emu thread. I quoted myself in this thread. He either ignored that or didn't see it. 

The one using strawman tactics in this thread is you.

You call everyone who uses emulators pirates.

Wow. You claim that I'm using strawman arguments, and then turn around and a single sentence later make a strawman argument. For the third and final time I already said that if you own a physical copy of the game and play it on PC you are not a pirate. I said it all the way back in May in your BotW thread. You are simply choosing to ignore that, and pretending that my position is that everybody that emulates is a pirate. 



zero129 said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Sony tried forcing Blu-Ray into every home with the PS3. Do you really think there would have been a $600 price tag without it? The reveal of the XB1 was a disaster in part thanks to the focus on T.V., Sports, and T.V. 

I don't have an issue with Zero's thinking that exclusives don't win console wars. I have a problem with him thinking that a focus on small insignificant extra media features will win a console war. Don't get me wrong on that point either though. If somebody made a console that doubled as a holographic projector it would sell like hotcakes, the same as the PS2 did by being a DVD player. 

I never said that. What wins is preception of how the market views the product.

Why do you think Samsung is beating so many other Android phones with the Galaxy line when it has no exclusives?.

All the best selling console would need to do is do better then the rest like blu ray players and tvs etc. 

Here you are saying that if there's no exclusives then the best selling system can just be determined by a focus on small insignificant extra media features. 



zero129 said:

But lots of other products sell fine without exclusives. I can bet that if no consoles had exclusives it would be the best build console that offers the most features for the least price that would be on top.

A console doesnt need exclusives to sell if no other consoles had exclusives or just times exclusives. All the best selling console would need to do is do better then the rest like blu ray players and tvs etc.

 

Yeah you did say that. Lol. You're just trying to backpedal at this point. The phrase "do better than the rest like blu ray players and tvs etc." Can either be taken to mean that they need to do better than their compitetion in the same way that Blu-Ray players and TVs do. Or it can be taken to mean they just need to do better than the rest [with features] like blu ray players and tvs. Normally you'd be able to backpedal on this and try to change the meaning. But in context with the other bolded part above shows what you really meant. 



LurkerJ said:

As for how "clean" emulation is... let's be honest here and put potential piracy related issues aside, Nintendo aren't funding and making these exclusives just so that you play them on your PC.

A huge part of the reason why they fund these first party titles is to make us, gamers, buy the hardware. If that wasn't the case, we'd have Nintendo games officially released on PC and other platforms. Personally, I think it hurts Nintendo's business to emulate their games if it's stopping you from buying the hardware.

To illustrate this point further, I doubt SONY funded Bloodborne development with the sole intent of selling just the game, they want me to buy a PS4 as well. Another example that I have to mention is the Halo franchise, Halo games are made exclusively to the Xbox, despite the fact that MS would've benefited regardless of what platform you choose to play the game on, they wanted you to buy Xbox consoles so they can expand the userbase.

One can make the case that emulating first party games and third-party games funded by hardware manufactures isn't the "right thing to do", and I wouldn't disagree. 

In my opinion it SHOULD hurt any console manufacturer when people refuse to buy their unnecessary consoles. It means that certain consumers are not satisfied with the offer and are trying to find a way around it.

I'd say people using emulators and using potentially pirated copies of games isn't the thing that's losing them money. Those people wouldn't have paid in the first place. What hurts them is losing sales by not making their games legally available on PC.



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