Didn't go over my head at all. There is no point, especially coming from him. No one on this board bitches and complains about MS first party more than him. We've seen countless posts about how they can't create anything, every IP they have was bought or made by someone else, they can't hang with Nintendo or Sony, they'll never achieve what Sony can do because blah blah, none of their games count as their own because yadda yadda. And that's fine. That's a valid opinion for him to have. But if he, a random forum dweller has it figured out, how is it "spilling the beans" for Papa Phil to say they signed a game deal because they want an Uncharted type game? That's not even getting into the fact that we don't know anything about the games they tried. I'll address your reply piece by piece but then I am bouncing from here as this has turned into another shit on MS thread.

You say no one bitches about Microsofts first party more than me. Trust me...ive been talking about this particular probelm since 2008, but seriously...has Microsofts first party particularly grown since 2006? Think about it. You might be satisfied and dont care if Microsoft doesnt grow but I do, because if they do they actually pose a threat to the competition and we as gamers both win. Also, in that same interview that I showed Phil Spencer admitted that Ryse is not first party, and neither was Sunset Overdrive or Titanfall one....so where is their first party? If ive been waiting since 2006...and its 2017 now....how long do you expect me to wait as a multiple Xbox owner.

1. Your stuff about PSABR is cool and all, but Sony didn't make that game. They paid a third party dev, just like MS paid for Tomb Raider. The type of deal the person I was responding to repeatedly craps on MS for making. Had MS paid a third party to make a new IP like Uncharted, it wouldn't be "oh wow MS doing something new!" it would be the same type of stuff he's already listed in this thread, basically "lulz third parties". 

Sony didnt make PSABR, but the company was made up of former Sony workers who were possibly up for grabs to be first party if they succeeded the same as Ready at Dawn. Sony owns the IP, but it was a second party development status. Im sure you already know how Sony does things. They rear developers on making games in their eco system and when they prove themselves they give them a chance to be first party. Ready at Dawn was close but no cigar. They should've made that game a normal third person shooter.

2. MS must have seen a potential deal for Tomb Raider and thought it would be a better than anything they could make at the time. TR is a huge franchise. Spencer said they wanted something akin to Uncharted. They got Tomb Raider.

MS sees a potential in many games, but they cant make them on that level. They buy more IP's than any other brand. Thats going to be more damning to their longevity if they dont fix it. 

3. The TR deal Sony had was years after the PSone launched and they had plenty of studios. Also you just said yourself MS is in their third gen. They probably have less studios now than Sony did when they signed their Tomb Raider deal. I guess this makes it ok? Clearly Microsoft goes about gaming in a different way than Sony. Personally I'd rather have console companies that are different than them all sharing the same vision and playbook.

At one point last gen I believe Microsoft had more devs than Sony. I believe we've talked about this last gen before. Microsoft is just bad at creating new IP's in house. They need to find some creatives and just let them take over the business and the building of studios. It will more likely succeed that way. 

What exactly did Papa Phil "spill the beans" on? MS has no one that can do an Uncharted type game as well as ND? Shocker. Microsoft would rather buy games or pay outside companies than invest in their own studios? We know this.

Interesting, so when people say they prefer Xbox games...what does that necessarily mean? At this point they are just taking anything. There is no identity. They must know and understand their market. After three generations they couldnt be this out of touch with their base. This is why I am glad Sony stopped trying to make an FPS. They know their market and what they will buy and focus on that. Perhaps, late in the future they can focus on it again...but only when they are ready. Microsoft needs to gauge what Xbox gamers are buying and stick with that. Perhaps they like less diverse things, but people can surprise you. 

But the crux of the issue with the "Spilling the beans" issue was that Spencer screwed up by admitting they tried to make an Uncharted clone and failed to see a level of quality that anywhere near would threaten a Sony developed game like Uncharted. They took the easy way out....and it almost hurt Rise of the Tomb Raiders sales. Luckily it launched on Playstation and that version outsold the Xbox One, but it couldve been better if the game launched at the right time on both platforms. This means that if Microsoft indeed wants to pose a threat to Sony, they will need to learn how to develop and have launch ouput on a yearly basis long enough to match seven years. This already proved to be a struggle for them last gen when they were winning and Sony literally skipped up to them rather than running. Sony confidently built up studios and thus have been dancing around Microsoft in games content for years now. Knowing Sony it can only get worse, just like last gen.

Thank you. It's getting beyond tiresome at this point. I'm going to respond to his other post but im wondering if itd even worth it. The dude just ignored irrefutable proof that Spencer couldn't keep his mouth shut and admitted that ms had to moneyhat because they cannot produce new ips on he level of uncharted. If that had been Greenberg he wouldn't have answered that question and exposed their development level which most of us knew was an issue.

Didn't go over my head at all. There is no point, especially coming from him. No one on this board bitches and complains about MS first party more than him. We've seen countless posts about how they can't create anything, every IP they have was bought or made by someone else, they can't hang with Nintendo or Sony, they'll never achieve what Sony can do because blah blah, none of their games count as their own because yadda yadda. And that's fine. That's a valid opinion for him to have. But if he, a random forum dweller has it figured out, how is it "spilling the beans" for Papa Phil to say they signed a game deal because they want an Uncharted type game? That's not even getting into the fact that we don't know anything about the games they tried. I'll address your reply piece by piece but then I am bouncing from here as this has turned into another shit on MS thread.

1. Your stuff about PSABR is cool and all, but Sony didn't make that game. They paid a third party dev, just like MS paid for Tomb Raider. The type of deal the person I was responding to repeatedly craps on MS for making. Had MS paid a third party to make a new IP like Uncharted, it wouldn't be "oh wow MS doing something new!" it would be the same type of stuff he's already listed in this thread, basically "lulz third parties". 

2. MS must have seen a potential deal for Tomb Raider and thought it would be a better than anything they could make at the time. TR is a huge franchise. Spencer said they wanted something akin to Uncharted. They got Tomb Raider.

3. The TR deal Sony had was years after the PSone launched and they had plenty of studios. Also you just said yourself MS is in their third gen. They probably have less studios now than Sony did when they signed their Tomb Raider deal. I guess this makes it ok? Clearly Microsoft goes about gaming in a different way than Sony. Personally I'd rather have console companies that are different than them all sharing the same vision and playbook.

What exactly did Papa Phil "spill the beans" on? MS has no one that can do an Uncharted type game as well as ND? Shocker. Microsoft would rather buy games or pay outside companies than invest in their own studios? We know this.