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RolStoppable said:
smroadkill15 said:

I believe you said in previous threads you want MS to leave the console business so it's hard for me to take anything you say seriously. 

Sounds like a request for a brief analysis.

This generation

Microsoft dug themselves a huge hole with their original vision for the Xbox One. Today they are only borderline competitive in their strongest markets, namely the USA and the UK. Xbox One is a non-factor in Japan and treading water in mainland Europe. An increase in the output of exclusive games would be largely to completely irrelevant to their sales performance in Japan and mainland Europe while the best case scenario in the USA and the UK is that they'll get beat by the PS4 by a lower margin than today. That's not a really nice position by any stretch of the imagination.

Next generation

When we are looking at a console that gets as comfortably beaten as the Xbox One, then an increase in the output of exclusive games isn't going to be enough to change the fortunes. Microsoft faces the challenge to convince consumers to switch brands, but consumers tend to stick with the brand they last owned, unless said brand starts to seriously piss them off. That's how Microsoft wasted the advantage the Xbox 360 had in the USA and the UK; had they not messed up so badly with the Xbox One, then Xbox would still be ahead of PlayStation this generation. This means that if Microsoft only offered more exclusive games, they would still need to cross their fingers that Sony seriously messes up with the PS5. A strategy that is reliant on the shortcomings of another company is not a really nice position either, because the most important factor for success is not in Microsoft's hands.

From here we could dive deeper and talk about other big issues the Xbox brand has, but I am not going to make an effort that is still uncertain to be appreciated. An entirely different factor, but a very important one, is if Microsoft still has business motivations to continue in the console market. The end of Xbox-exclusive games and talks about declaring the end of generations - when Microsoft is actually in a position that demands a generational reset to create a new and improved image - do not point towards Xbox 4 being a safe thing to happen.

That's an interesting take. So would you say the early success of X360 was due to PS3 blunders and not because Microsoft built a better mouse trap?



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RolStoppable said:
smroadkill15 said:

I believe you said in previous threads you want MS to leave the console business so it's hard for me to take anything you say seriously. 

Sounds like a request for a brief analysis.

This generation

Microsoft dug themselves a huge hole with their original vision for the Xbox One. Today they are only borderline competitive in their strongest markets, namely the USA and the UK. Xbox One is a non-factor in Japan and treading water in mainland Europe. An increase in the output of exclusive games would be largely to completely irrelevant to their sales performance in Japan and mainland Europe while the best case scenario in the USA and the UK is that they'll get beat by the PS4 by a lower margin than today. That's not a really nice position by any stretch of the imagination.

Next generation

When we are looking at a console that gets as comfortably beaten as the Xbox One, then an increase in the output of exclusive games isn't going to be enough to change the fortunes. Microsoft faces the challenge to convince consumers to switch brands, but consumers tend to stick with the brand they last owned, unless said brand starts to seriously piss them off. That's how Microsoft wasted the advantage the Xbox 360 had in the USA and the UK; had they not messed up so badly with the Xbox One, then Xbox would still be ahead of PlayStation this generation. This means that if Microsoft only offered more exclusive games, they would still need to cross their fingers that Sony seriously messes up with the PS5. A strategy that is reliant on the shortcomings of another company is not a really nice position either, because the most important factor for success is not in Microsoft's hands.

From here we could dive deeper and talk about other big issues the Xbox brand has, but I am not going to make an effort that is still uncertain to be appreciated. An entirely different factor, but a very important one, is if Microsoft still has business motivations to continue in the console market. The end of Xbox-exclusive games and talks about declaring the end of generations - when Microsoft is actually in a position that demands a generational reset to create a new and improved image - do not point towards Xbox 4 being a safe thing to happen.

Wonderfully put, completely agree in fact. I've often questioned the relevance of the Xbox brand on the worldwide stage, and it's easy to undertdsand why Microsoft as a whole would have motivation issues in this industry, they have poured so much money into Xbox and the videogame industry and don't have a great deal to show for it three generations in, when you compare them to what Nintendo and Sony had three generations in for example.  



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I'll still take 2017 line up for xbox one x over ps4 line. Im not into a lot of the Japanese games outside of Nioh and I did enjoy Horizon zero dawn, but that's it. However, I enjoyed Halo wars 2, I know I will enjoy Forza 7 and PUBG seems like a really fun multiplayer game with a lot of replay value.



Soundwave said:
I think people on message boards make a bigger fuss out of exclusives.

Truth is I don't think much of the PS/XBox buyer base gives that much of a crap, they are buying those systems for the big gun third party IPs -- your CODs, GTAs, Destinys, Maddens, NBA2Ks, Battlefield, Star Wars Battlefront, etc.

XBox One X will have all of those on top of being the most powerful system by a good margin, those are more key. The price point being a bit high I'd say is the bigger issue, but looks like early adopters are pre-ordering the thing like crazy.

Like it or not but whether the game is exclusive or not, if its good it will create a lot of buzz. A huge part of early Xbox success was because of exclusives like Halo, Morrowind, Mech assault. A huge part of early 360 success was exclusives like Halo 3, Gears of War, and the JRPG deals made. IF crackdown was a XBX launch game and a huge hit, that would create a lot of buzz for it. But XB1 and XBX do not have that luxury.



Farsala said:
Soundwave said:
I think people on message boards make a bigger fuss out of exclusives.

Truth is I don't think much of the PS/XBox buyer base gives that much of a crap, they are buying those systems for the big gun third party IPs -- your CODs, GTAs, Destinys, Maddens, NBA2Ks, Battlefield, Star Wars Battlefront, etc.

XBox One X will have all of those on top of being the most powerful system by a good margin, those are more key. The price point being a bit high I'd say is the bigger issue, but looks like early adopters are pre-ordering the thing like crazy.

Like it or not but whether the game is exclusive or not, if its good it will create a lot of buzz. A huge part of early Xbox success was because of exclusives like Halo, Morrowind, Mech assault. A huge part of early 360 success was exclusives like Halo 3, Gears of War, and the JRPG deals made. IF crackdown was a XBX launch game and a huge hit, that would create a lot of buzz for it. But XB1 and XBX do not have that luxury.

Looks to me this is wrong because XBox One X is selling very well from pre-order reports. 

Third party multiplats are the main course for Playstation/XBox consoles. 1st party exclusives are just the "bonus". It's like a steak restaurant -- the third party big guns are the steak menu. The 1st party stuff is just the desert menu. 

Sony has Uncharted/GT/God of War, MS has Halo/Forza/Gears. That's basically a wash, and not that many "regular" people (as in people who don't spend time on video game message boards) give a crap about many of the other exclusives. People want GTA, not Crackdown. 



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How would they go about securing exclusives let alone making them if they also hand them over to PC as well?.



                                       

If you happen to be a fan of all the games you mentioned, it may not be a bad year for XBO owners. But people have different taste, and from my perspective it looks a lot slower this year than previous years, yeah. Though perhaps most importantly XBO still gets most of the third party support.
And it does a lot of things right, such as BC. But I think ultimately they have a branding issue worldwide that is not overcome easily. Perhaps even impossible, unless Sony screw up and leave a spot vacant.

LudicrousSpeed said:
This has been a really bad year for MS exclusives made to look much worse because Sony started the year with Horizon, GR2, and The Show.

Don't forget the "niche crap" as well.



What an odd statement. That's like saying if homeless people had homes they wouldn't be homeless.
If we could feed the hungry, they wouldn't be hungry.

It is a very, very obvious statement.
Also you are assuming that BC, Play anywhere, Gamepass etc would exist. I highly doubt it would actually exist if they had the needed amount of contacts and studios to actually have enough exclusives.

Assuming you are referring to the past. If you mean now, I think it is already impossible.  They have adapted the strategy and mentality that they don't need games. They will just milk Halo, Forza, and Gears until they die.



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Veknoid_Outcast said:
RolStoppable said:

Sounds like a request for a brief analysis.

This generation

Microsoft dug themselves a huge hole with their original vision for the Xbox One. Today they are only borderline competitive in their strongest markets, namely the USA and the UK. Xbox One is a non-factor in Japan and treading water in mainland Europe. An increase in the output of exclusive games would be largely to completely irrelevant to their sales performance in Japan and mainland Europe while the best case scenario in the USA and the UK is that they'll get beat by the PS4 by a lower margin than today. That's not a really nice position by any stretch of the imagination.

Next generation

When we are looking at a console that gets as comfortably beaten as the Xbox One, then an increase in the output of exclusive games isn't going to be enough to change the fortunes. Microsoft faces the challenge to convince consumers to switch brands, but consumers tend to stick with the brand they last owned, unless said brand starts to seriously piss them off. That's how Microsoft wasted the advantage the Xbox 360 had in the USA and the UK; had they not messed up so badly with the Xbox One, then Xbox would still be ahead of PlayStation this generation. This means that if Microsoft only offered more exclusive games, they would still need to cross their fingers that Sony seriously messes up with the PS5. A strategy that is reliant on the shortcomings of another company is not a really nice position either, because the most important factor for success is not in Microsoft's hands.

From here we could dive deeper and talk about other big issues the Xbox brand has, but I am not going to make an effort that is still uncertain to be appreciated. An entirely different factor, but a very important one, is if Microsoft still has business motivations to continue in the console market. The end of Xbox-exclusive games and talks about declaring the end of generations - when Microsoft is actually in a position that demands a generational reset to create a new and improved image - do not point towards Xbox 4 being a safe thing to happen.

That's an interesting take. So would you say the early success of X360 was due to PS3 blunders and not because Microsoft built a better mouse trap?

I agree with this. Microsofts biggest success of that era was taking the mountain of third party exclusives from Sony and making them multiplat and thus served as a suitable secondary to Sony to consumers once they screwed up. This caused Sony to increase their first party investments. The results caused them to catch up to the Xbox 360. Microsoft want about to win anything.the only thing. Analysts were predicting the PS3 would overtake the 360 by 2011 but the Xbox had one last defense which was the Kinect which held off Sony for two years. Once the fad wore off the air was clear of Sony to close the gap for good in 2013. Microsoft relies on distractions because they know their first party cannot stop Sony. 



Hiku said:

If you happen to be a fan of all the games you mentioned, it may not be a bad year for XBO owners. But people have different taste, and from my perspective it looks a lot slower this year than previous years, yeah. Though perhaps most importantly XBO still gets most of the third party support.
And it does a lot of things right, such as BC. But I think ultimately they have a branding issue worldwide that is not overcome easily. Perhaps even impossible, unless Sony screw up and leave a spot vacant.

LudicrousSpeed said:
This has been a really bad year for MS exclusives made to look much worse because Sony started the year with Horizon, GR2, and The Show.

Don't forget the "niche crap" as well.

 

How can somebody not like a game because of its country of origin may i ask?

The "I dont like japanese games" is so stupid with all due respect. You may not like a genre and that is perfectly fine, but labeling japanese games as a genre is stupid.