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Sony tends to make solid hardware (if not just a dumbed down PC), but they certainly are excellent at making a solid console hub for navigating to your games, communicating with friends, playing with friends. They're good with brand and interface 

HOWEVER I would argue that as far as Sony is concerned in the video game market at this point- that's exactly what they're good at, making a platform, and I'd argue they aren't particularly great these days as far as actually developing in house first party games

frankly Nintendo is the only one of the big 3 still focusing on lots of creative software. Even on big computer platforms like Steam- Valve has abandoned making games for the most part.

And this leads me to a concern- that a lot of these video game platform holders are simply focusing on ecosystems rather than the games themselves. In the long run I'm not sure that'll be a good thing. In the past the harsh and raw competition of platform holders to stay being the consumers pick seemed to force innovation and risk in terms of creating not just better interfaces/communities, but better GAMES themselves

I can't help but be concerned when Sony/Microsoft seem to be almost entirely focused on the business of selling subscriptions to online gaming and putting out a decent spec box, rather than bringing out new experiences themselves 

sort of like the analogy of a produce store that started out by providing their own high quality local veggies, that at some point focuses solely on building more registers and making the shopping aisles nicer but now flies in their produce from halfway across the world

long story short: I think Playstation is a solid platform, but Sony's seeming comfort with ignoring development of a lot of first party games and soley leaning against a well conceived box with a good name is slightly concerning

and the same thing can be said about Microsoft and Xbox to a stronger degree. It works for now when the third parties are pushing lots of good software to the PS4, but say a few of the big publishers go under in a bit? I don't like the direction some of the platform holders are going in because in my opinion it's not pushing things forward much in terms of gaming experiences

I think the perfect comparison would be Nintendo with Breath of the Wild and Sony with Horizon: Zero Dawn- both great games obviously; but one is essentially a polished open world RPG with heavy limitations just like many that came before it (HZD), and the other is arguably groundbreaking in its willingness to take risks (BoTW with physics, go anywhere attitude)

when a company focuses more on the platform than the games it seems to kill creative exploration in terms of game development

maybe I'm being too harsh on Sony given they've never been super heavily involved in first party games compared with some others, but still



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mountaindewslave said:

Sony tends to make solid hardware (if not just a dumbed down PC), but they certainly are excellent at making a solid console hub for navigating to your games, communicating with friends, playing with friends. They're good with brand and interface 

HOWEVER I would argue that as far as Sony is concerned in the video game market at this point- that's exactly what they're good at, making a platform, and I'd argue they aren't particularly great these days as far as actually developing in house first party games

frankly Nintendo is the only one of the big 3 still focusing on lots of creative software. Even on big computer platforms like Steam- Valve has abandoned making games for the most part.

And this leads me to a concern- that a lot of these video game platform holders are simply focusing on ecosystems rather than the games themselves. In the long run I'm not sure that'll be a good thing. In the past the harsh and raw competition of platform holders to stay being the consumers pick seemed to force innovation and risk in terms of creating not just better interfaces/communities, but better GAMES themselves

I can't help but be concerned when Sony/Microsoft seem to be almost entirely focused on the business of selling subscriptions to online gaming and putting out a decent spec box, rather than bringing out new experiences themselves 

sort of like the analogy of a produce store that started out by providing their own high quality local veggies, that at some point focuses solely on building more registers and making the shopping aisles nicer but now flies in their produce from halfway across the world

long story short: I think Playstation is a solid platform, but Sony's seeming comfort with ignoring development of a lot of first party games and soley leaning against a well conceived box with a good name is slightly concerning

and the same thing can be said about Microsoft and Xbox to a stronger degree. It works for now when the third parties are pushing lots of good software to the PS4, but say a few of the big publishers go under in a bit? I don't like the direction some of the platform holders are going in because in my opinion it's not pushing things forward much in terms of gaming experiences

I think the perfect comparison would be Nintendo with Breath of the Wild and Sony with Horizon: Zero Dawn- both great games obviously; but one is essentially a polished open world RPG with heavy limitations just like many that came before it (HZD), and the other is arguably groundbreaking in its willingness to take risks (BoTW with physics, go anywhere attitude)

when a company focuses more on the platform than the games it seems to kill creative exploration in terms of game development

maybe I'm being too harsh on Sony given they've never been super heavily involved in first party games compared with some others, but still

Sony FP has been a very real thing since the PS2 days and even before at times. Varied, quality games galore: Jak and Daxter, the Legend of Dragoon, Ratchet, Wipeout, Primal, Hot Shots Golf, God of War, the Getaway... you may not see it this way, and the third-party reliabilty for Sony is certainly heavier than Nintendo, but comparing PS4 and XBO fp is a moot point. One clearly dominates the other, not just "stronger degree". 

OP should've been there from the beginning. PS4 is good, PS2 was 100x better in its prime.



I went from Sega to Playstation, flirted with Nintendo, then went back to Playstation and never looked back. Still miss my first love tho.

collint0101 said:
Am I seriously the only one that thinks the ps4 is the weakest PlayStation outside of the vita? it's not bad but imo it just now got good like this year maybe late last year but even then I feel pretty done with my ps4 until around early 2018 outside of Wolfenstein.

The weakest is the PS3, you should be glad the days of 20 minute installs, bad multiplats and slow XMB are over.

mountaindewslave said:

Sony tends to make solid hardware (if not just a dumbed down PC), but they certainly are excellent at making a solid console hub for navigating to your games, communicating with friends, playing with friends. They're good with brand and interface 

HOWEVER I would argue that as far as Sony is concerned in the video game market at this point- that's exactly what they're good at, making a platform, and I'd argue they aren't particularly great these days as far as actually developing in house first party games

frankly Nintendo is the only one of the big 3 still focusing on lots of creative software. Even on big computer platforms like Steam- Valve has abandoned making games for the most part.

And this leads me to a concern- that a lot of these video game platform holders are simply focusing on ecosystems rather than the games themselves. In the long run I'm not sure that'll be a good thing. In the past the harsh and raw competition of platform holders to stay being the consumers pick seemed to force innovation and risk in terms of creating not just better interfaces/communities, but better GAMES themselves

I can't help but be concerned when Sony/Microsoft seem to be almost entirely focused on the business of selling subscriptions to online gaming and putting out a decent spec box, rather than bringing out new experiences themselves 

sort of like the analogy of a produce store that started out by providing their own high quality local veggies, that at some point focuses solely on building more registers and making the shopping aisles nicer but now flies in their produce from halfway across the world

long story short: I think Playstation is a solid platform, but Sony's seeming comfort with ignoring development of a lot of first party games and soley leaning against a well conceived box with a good name is slightly concerning

and the same thing can be said about Microsoft and Xbox to a stronger degree. It works for now when the third parties are pushing lots of good software to the PS4, but say a few of the big publishers go under in a bit? I don't like the direction some of the platform holders are going in because in my opinion it's not pushing things forward much in terms of gaming experiences

I think the perfect comparison would be Nintendo with Breath of the Wild and Sony with Horizon: Zero Dawn- both great games obviously; but one is essentially a polished open world RPG with heavy limitations just like many that came before it (HZD), and the other is arguably groundbreaking in its willingness to take risks (BoTW with physics, go anywhere attitude)

when a company focuses more on the platform than the games it seems to kill creative exploration in terms of game development

maybe I'm being too harsh on Sony given they've never been super heavily involved in first party games compared with some others, but still

What the hell is a dumbed down pc? That's what the Switch is as well if you look at the hardware. Sony 1P is at their prime, they're the most risk taking and creative force in the industry. Making games from Journey to The Last Guardian, Gravity Rush to Until Dawn and God of War. No one has as much variety as Sony and it's sad you not only recognize it but also diss their efforts. They just launched Horizon, one of the most beloved games of the year, from their shooter studio. Going from making FPS to RPGs, Sony allows their teams to take risks and what to work on, can't be said about others really. Thats why Microsoft and Nintendo have become predictaburu! You can always expect Mario and Halo, but with Sony there's always big new IPs coming out, not just small ones, big AAA IPs. If you listen to interviews from Shu etc, their philosophy is different and very creative content focused. Sure Nintendo has Arms and Splatoon, but those aren't big risk titles, they aren't AAA on the level of the next mainline Zeruda, Metroid or Mario.

One thing I'd like from Nintendo is to stop being risk averse and go crazy like in the Gamecube days, when they took yuge risks with their IPs. MS too, I want a Halo RPG spinoff, a Gears horror game etc.

 

 



Because of my avatar I also felt posting here.

Anyway if PS2 is a 10/10 then PSone is a 9/10, PS3 a 5/10 and PS4 7/10 close to an 8/10 tho.

Most of the games I platinumed are rereleases that I prefer above the new franchises.

I have stated it many times that I don't enjoy Last of use or Uncharted but love Crash/Jax.

The Last Guardian was alright but shadow of the colussus is so much better...

Insomniac's ratchet and Clank is amazing for me but I probably will not enjoy their Spiderman game that much..

God of war I&II I enjoyed but 3 and the new one don't do it for me (yet?).

One of my most personaly hyped games was Crash this year and the next one is OKAMI!!!

Also third party is less interesting for me, games like REVII were nice but I prefer REIV and certainly the Dino Crisis games so much more...

I love to see new 'open world?' games like Ape Escape/medieval making a return and they would hype me up so much more.






COKTOE said:

I've been on board since the beginning. Was blown away by Destruction Derby

 

                                                 

One of my fav games.  I remember seeing it covered in Next Generation magazine and that was around the time I was like I'm going to give up waiting on the N64 and get a Playstation.  I loved my Playstation for the most part but I became butt hurt when my first generation PS1 started overheating/freezing issues a few months after warranty wore off.  Losing a console within first year or so and having to pay 75 for a newer model really left a shit stain in my mouth.  Console reliability turned me off from Sony which PS2 even further proved my point (disk drive had very bad reliability).  I can't talk too much shit about console reliability though because my little over year purchase of a New 3DS XL fucked up with the b button becoming intermittent on working and not working.  Karma is a bitch.

Sorry to be a hater but man did I love Destruction Derby.  I also really loved ESPN Extreme Games which had you doing a Road Rash style racing with skateboards, roller blades, etc..



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You were blind and arrogant before. Like you say yourself, you didn't give it a chance. Because you thought it wasn't worth it.

Now you see

Anyway

I love Destruction Derby, Road Rash, Ape Escape, Ace Combat 2, Cool Boarders 2, Jumping Flash!, Loaded and of course many more better knows games.



''Hadouken!''

For me, the main reasons why I really like playstation consoles is that they focus on single player games and the sheer amount of japanese games that end up on their consoles.



Playstation is the best place to be for third parties.Plus, its first party content is mostly original and has great variety, although it's not on the same level as Nintendo's.

PS4 is also a much better system in every way then PS3. I found PS3 to be very clunky, it just didn't feel right.



sethnintendo said:
COKTOE said:

I've been on board since the beginning. Was blown away by Destruction Derby

 

                                                 

One of my fav games.  I remember seeing it covered in Next Generation magazine and that was around the time I was like I'm going to give up waiting on the N64 and get a Playstation.  I loved my Playstation for the most part but I became butt hurt when my first generation PS1 started overheating/freezing issues a few months after warranty wore off.  Losing a console within first year or so and having to pay 75 for a newer model really left a shit stain in my mouth.  Console reliability turned me off from Sony which PS2 even further proved my point (disk drive had very bad reliability).  I can't talk too much shit about console reliability though because my little over year purchase of a New 3DS XL fucked up with the b button becoming intermittent on working and not working.  Karma is a bitch.

Sorry to be a hater but man did I love Destruction Derby.  I also really loved ESPN Extreme Games which had you doing a Road Rash style racing with skateboards, roller blades, etc..

I also had issues with my launch window PS1, but at least some of that came from lending it out to friends, and them abusing the shit out of it. At least by my standards. Leaving it running constantly. Like, instead of saving, and turning it off, they would leave it running in a HOT, dust filled room while they went out for dinner. Idiots. I gave them shit for that, and of course it stopped working shortly after I got it back. As for DD, yeah. It was such a ridiculous step up from the 16 bit consoles. Not just the graphics, which at the time were amazing, but all the physics as well. The deformation, cars getting crunched, spinning around, and the damage actually effecting the performance. The cars couldn't be tipped over, and although DD2 introduced that element, I didn't like it as much as the original. After my rental experince, it was the first game I bought.



- "If you have the heart of a true winner, you can always get more pissed off than some other asshole."

AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Rain2 said:

That's fair. I was going to go farther into depth with it but decided not to for a few reasons. 1) I didn't want the OP to be too long due to noticing an even bigger decline in people actually reading the OP on this site. 2) I was going to bed and was admittedly rushing a bit. 3) I figured I got the gist across. I'm sorry.

Lol i wasn't trying to be offensive man, that comment comes off way doucher than i intended, I apologize. I guess from my perspective i'd say PS4 was pretty bad as a platform for about 3 years, wasn't really that good till this year, so when the OP ended up just being a talk about PS as a whole it was kind of hard to rebuttal anything. You're fine!

!? Pretty bad? I challenge you to a fist-fight. By the monkey bars.



- "If you have the heart of a true winner, you can always get more pissed off than some other asshole."