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noagenda said:
AbbathTheGrim said:

The shortening of distances (or perhaps complete lack there of) in the last seasons and the tacky dialogue and writing here and there I cannot deny. Still the show succeeds in creating some memorable scenes.

But this that you say right here is spot on. I mean, this showdown between the White Walkers and the dragons, this could have been the end of the threat right there. I mean, more soldiers and Cercei's support a necessity? What was really the need of Cercei or more soldiers when everything they really need is to recreate that moment right there where they face the White Walkers and get to finish them?

Every effort in the future will be to recreate that very moment where they can kill those WW and unless the dragon breath is not enough and they need a Valyrian Steel close combat excecution with those WW to really kill them, I don't see why they didn't end everything right there. Jon Snow figured out that you kill the White Walkers and the dead go puff rightaway just a couple of moments before.

That is the crux of the problem with this bad writing.  It would have ended the existential threat that the Night King represented to the 7 kingdoms if the characters had acted rationally.  That would have only left Cerci as the protagonist in the last season, which just isn't threatening enough for a whole 6 episodes in season 8.

The director of the episode addressed the criticism of the speedy back and forth:

“We were aware that timing was getting a little hazy,” Taylor told Variety. “We’ve got Gendry running back, ravens flying a certain distance, dragons having to fly back a certain distance…In terms of the emotional experience, [Jon and company] sort of spent one dark night on the island in terms of storytelling moments. We tried to hedge it a little bit with the eternal twilight up there north of The Wall. I think there was some effort to fudge the timeline a little bit by not declaring exactly how long we were there. I think that worked for some people, for other people it didn’t. They seemed to be very concerned about how fast a raven can fly but there’s a thing called plausible impossibilities, which is what you try to achieve, rather than impossible plausibilities. So I think we were straining plausibility a little bit, but I hope the story’s momentum carries over some of that stuff.”

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/game-of-thrones-season-7-episode-6-beyond-the-wall-timeline-director-1202534403/



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RJ_Sizzle said:
Soundwave said:
The whole "lets go North to get a wight" plot line has been kinda stupid to be honest but it produced some cool moments.

It's the whole "no one believing there's a zombie army coming despite legit people saying so" that's pissing me off in the first place. Yes woman with dragons who walks through fire, an UNDEAD army is sooo ridiculous of a concept and isn't worth your time. Now she goes off on her own, gets one killed, and it's coming back to seal everyone's doom. Please don't let Daenerys be the one on the Iron Throne when this is over.

Are you kidding? Daenerys was the only one with any sense last episode. Jon's stupidity is the reason all of these stupid plots are happening. He needs to be killed off.



JakDaSnack said:
noagenda said:

I thought you were talking about the quality writing being over, because that episode proved it in spades.  It's obvious that without GRRM source material, the show runners just can't write a decent story.  The "rescue" scene was, quite possibily, the most stupid thing I have ever seen filmed.  Yeah, let's not tell Dany to flame the Night King, no, instead, let's pay NO ATTENTION TO HIM AS HE SAUNTERS OVER, SLOWLY GRABS A SPEAR, SAUNTERS SOME MORE, THEN LAZILY THROWS IT AT THE DRAGON.  And then there is the Arya v Sansa BS they have going on....SMH.

Dude, GRRM doesn't know how to finish his books.  He is essentially letting D&D do it for him.  But the issue is that D&D does not have the budget to cover every single character that GRRM has added to his books, which has required them to combine story lines.  

However, you have it all wrong with the rescue scene.  Dany has literally never seen a white walker before, how in the world would she possibly think to have her dragons attack the Night King?  And even if she thought to do so, chances are the Night King would be ready for her.  It was obvious that he wasn't waiting for the ice to melt, but rather was waiting for the dragons to show up so he could claim one for his own(10 bucks says he uses the dragon to melt the wall).  Her only goal was to rescue the magnificent 7, which she did (well 5/7).  Now if you want to talk about stupid, let's talk about how Dany didn't flank Jamie's army.  

As for Arya and Sansa, that entire arc is completely in Arya's character.  From her perspective, Sansa is trying to take the north from Jon, and the letter proved it in her mind.  Is this story actually necessary?  Probably not, but obviously this is gonna lead to LittleFinger getting killed (This show is getting incredibly predictable). use

Martin takes his time, the wait for book five was agony and books six gets worse eith each passing year. That said seeing this show I am actually glad he is taking a while because he thinks and he cares. This writing from season six and seven has been abysmal and as someone who loved the first four seasons it is now just boring and annoying.  Budget wouldnt save them from laziness or incompetence. The dragons are a sight to behold, but when everything elseis so bad I dont get invested.

Aryas story has fallen  apart ever since Braavos training went off the rails. I adore this character and they turned a bad assassassin into a petulent child. I was cheering for freaking Sansa I was so fed up with Arya. This may be worse characterization than Loras and Stannis at this rate.



Hiku said:
ThisGuyFooks said:

But who would be the third Targaryen? Besides Dany and Jon?

Aemon said "There are always three. The three headed dragon"

In the TV show it could be Gendry, or Tyrion.
In the books, Aegon Targaryen is supposedly alive. But people theorize that he's a fraud.

I think it will be Dany, Tyrion, and Jon. However I think Euron will take Viserion from Tyrion with the horn. My big question is if Bran can skin change into a dragon or even Wights as I see him having a major role.

 

In the show my guess is Jon and Dany versus Night King in dragon battle.



I couldn't help myself and read Season 8 alleged spoilers (NOTE: we don't know if they're real, apparently from 4Chan) that are out there.

All I'll say is if that's season 8 ... people are gonna be pisssssssed off, lol. Also for those complaining about season 7's writing, they are going to lose it with season 8 if those leaks are legit. Please don't be real, please don't be real. Some things do make sense though as I read them. 



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noagenda said:
JakDaSnack said:

You are reaching for straws at this point.  

It is far from "reaching for straws"; rather, it's the most logical thing that SHOULD have happened during the moments Jon just stared at Dany.

Just bad writing, and there is NO defending it.  As others mentioned, it jumped the shark with that BS.

YOUR argument was about them waiting to tell Dany while the NK seemingly took forever and a day to walk over with the spear and kill a dragon.  Frankly, why we are talking about this instead of the part where the NK took out the flying dragon instead of the grounded one makes 0 sense to me, as that was the obvious logical flaw, but whatever.   Anyways, others have pointed out that Jorah and Beric had already been talking about taking out the NK so it certainly is in the realm of possibilities that they could have told Dany to take them out as they climbed on top of Drogon.  But let's think about this, adrenaline is high and those guys had been sitting on an island for probably 4-5 days.  Do you honestly believe it would be in character for them to make the smartest decision?  And still, none of them had a clue that the NK had a gold medal in javalin throwing, the most logical thing would be for them to wait until everyone is safe before telling Dany to take out the NK.  However they never got that chance, because it became clear that if they attacked the NK they would likely die.

Again, YOUR argument isn't hard to argue, but there are other arguments that could be made to show the flaws in that scene.



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Augen said:
JakDaSnack said:

Dude, GRRM doesn't know how to finish his books.  He is essentially letting D&D do it for him.  But the issue is that D&D does not have the budget to cover every single character that GRRM has added to his books, which has required them to combine story lines.  

However, you have it all wrong with the rescue scene.  Dany has literally never seen a white walker before, how in the world would she possibly think to have her dragons attack the Night King?  And even if she thought to do so, chances are the Night King would be ready for her.  It was obvious that he wasn't waiting for the ice to melt, but rather was waiting for the dragons to show up so he could claim one for his own(10 bucks says he uses the dragon to melt the wall).  Her only goal was to rescue the magnificent 7, which she did (well 5/7).  Now if you want to talk about stupid, let's talk about how Dany didn't flank Jamie's army.  

As for Arya and Sansa, that entire arc is completely in Arya's character.  From her perspective, Sansa is trying to take the north from Jon, and the letter proved it in her mind.  Is this story actually necessary?  Probably not, but obviously this is gonna lead to LittleFinger getting killed (This show is getting incredibly predictable). use

Martin takes his time, the wait for book five was agony and books six gets worse eith each passing year. That said seeing this show I am actually glad he is taking a while because he thinks and he cares. This writing from season six and seven has been abysmal and as someone who loved the first four seasons it is now just boring and annoying.  Budget wouldnt save them from laziness or incompetence. The dragons are a sight to behold, but when everything elseis so bad I dont get invested.

Aryas story has fallen  apart ever since Braavos training went off the rails. I adore this character and they turned a bad assassassin into a petulent child. I was cheering for freaking Sansa I was so fed up with Arya. This may be worse characterization than Loras and Stannis at this rate.

It's not that Martin takes his time, it's that he hasn't figured out how to finish his story.  It took him like 5 years to deliver 3 amazing books.  The other 2 came out 11 years later and they weren't even remotely as good as the first 3.  I wouldn't get your hopes up too much for the winds of winter, assuming it even comes out.

Arya is playing the long con with Little Finger.  10 bucks say she kills Little Finger next episode.  But I do agree, her character could have been so much better, they messed up the Braavos stuff, and rushed her return to Westeros.  Her arc was the only one I didn't like last season.



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Fire doesn't do jack to the Night King, and probably the other Walkers neither (didn't do anything to the one at the Cave of the Three Eyed Raven did it?) anyway.

The dragons are serving a higher purpose in the story now though, which I'm glad to see. I hoped the wolves of the Starks would have that too, and I once figured Summer would be important and a tool for Bran, but then they easily killed it off just like that last season (in one of the best episodes ever but that's beside the point). One of the dragons being turned is cool, and I had no idea it would be a possibility until I got a "Oh my, what if.." moment when Daenerys went towards the Wall.

I do agree I'm a bit annoyed by the unrealistic travel-times throughout this season, but I already mentioned that last week.



Cercei will become a White Walker Queen and ride the Ice Dragon



AbbathTheGrim said:
SecondWar said:
I refuse to read anything in this thread until after next monday when episode 7 has aired, given a similar thread on another site ruined episode 6 for me.

And yet here you are posting, trusting your ever wandering eyes not to look for an instant where they shouldn't. Must be the masochistic nature of humans and love for danger.

Well, I just wanted to say my piece. I went straight to the quick post box and clicked away as soon as I posted. Survived until the airing with just one minor spoiler.  Didn't even read your reply until just now.