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I thought you were talking about the quality writing being over, because that episode proved it in spades.  It's obvious that without GRRM source material, the show runners just can't write a decent story.  The "rescue" scene was, quite possibily, the most stupid thing I have ever seen filmed.  Yeah, let's not tell Dany to flame the Night King, no, instead, let's pay NO ATTENTION TO HIM AS HE SAUNTERS OVER, SLOWLY GRABS A SPEAR, SAUNTERS SOME MORE, THEN LAZILY THROWS IT AT THE DRAGON.  And then there is the Arya v Sansa BS they have going on....SMH.



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Hiku said:
noagenda said:

I thought you were talking about the quality writing being over, because that episode proved it in spades.  It's obvious that without GRRM source material, the show runners just can't write a decent story.  The "rescue" scene was, quite possibily, the most stupid thing I have ever seen filmed.  Yeah, let's not tell Dany to flame the Night King, no, instead, let's pay NO ATTENTION TO HIM AS HE SAUNTERS OVER, SLOWLY GRABS A SPEAR, SAUNTERS SOME MORE, THEN LAZILY THROWS IT AT THE DRAGON.  And then there is the Arya v Sansa BS they have going on....SMH.

I also didn't like the "send a raven" part. Because then we knew the dragons were coming, which killed the suspence.
I think it would have been better to have Dany fly down on her own accord and surprise the viewer.

People on reddit were calculating how long it would have taken for Dany to get to them from when Gendry started running.  It was estimated that it would have taken him no less than 6hrs to make the run, another couple days to send the raven to Dragonstone, and then a day for Dany to fly back.  Almost 4 days they would have been waiting for her to arrive.  They dead horde would have killed them by that time, since the ice would have frozen again, or they would have just died from hypothermia, or the Night King could have just lobbed those spears at them and killed them that way.  And as anthoer person noted, the dead also wouldn't have cared about the water; they would have just piled up until they formed their own bridge to get to the little island. 

 

All in all, it was just a very poorly written scene.



noagenda said:

I thought you were talking about the quality writing being over, because that episode proved it in spades.  It's obvious that without GRRM source material, the show runners just can't write a decent story.  The "rescue" scene was, quite possibily, the most stupid thing I have ever seen filmed.  Yeah, let's not tell Dany to flame the Night King, no, instead, let's pay NO ATTENTION TO HIM AS HE SAUNTERS OVER, SLOWLY GRABS A SPEAR, SAUNTERS SOME MORE, THEN LAZILY THROWS IT AT THE DRAGON.  And then there is the Arya v Sansa BS they have going on....SMH.

Dude, GRRM doesn't know how to finish his books.  He is essentially letting D&D do it for him.  But the issue is that D&D does not have the budget to cover every single character that GRRM has added to his books, which has required them to combine story lines.  

However, you have it all wrong with the rescue scene.  Dany has literally never seen a white walker before, how in the world would she possibly think to have her dragons attack the Night King?  And even if she thought to do so, chances are the Night King would be ready for her.  It was obvious that he wasn't waiting for the ice to melt, but rather was waiting for the dragons to show up so he could claim one for his own(10 bucks says he uses the dragon to melt the wall).  Her only goal was to rescue the magnificent 7, which she did (well 5/7).  Now if you want to talk about stupid, let's talk about how Dany didn't flank Jamie's army.  

As for Arya and Sansa, that entire arc is completely in Arya's character.  From her perspective, Sansa is trying to take the north from Jon, and the letter proved it in her mind.  Is this story actually necessary?  Probably not, but obviously this is gonna lead to LittleFinger getting killed (This show is getting incredibly predictable). 



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JakDaSnack said:
noagenda said:

I thought you were talking about the quality writing being over, because that episode proved it in spades.  It's obvious that without GRRM source material, the show runners just can't write a decent story.  The "rescue" scene was, quite possibily, the most stupid thing I have ever seen filmed.  Yeah, let's not tell Dany to flame the Night King, no, instead, let's pay NO ATTENTION TO HIM AS HE SAUNTERS OVER, SLOWLY GRABS A SPEAR, SAUNTERS SOME MORE, THEN LAZILY THROWS IT AT THE DRAGON.  And then there is the Arya v Sansa BS they have going on....SMH.

Dude, GRRM doesn't know how to finish his books.  He is essentially letting D&D do it for him.  But the issue is that D&D does not have the budget to cover every single character that GRRM has added to his books, which has required them to combine story lines.  

However, you have it all wrong with the rescue scene.  Dany has literally never seen a white walker before, how in the world would she possibly think to have her dragons attack the Night King?  And even if she thought to do so, chances are the Night King would be ready for her.  It was obvious that he wasn't waiting for the ice to melt, but rather was waiting for the dragons to show up so he could claim one for his own(10 bucks says he uses the dragon to melt the wall).  Her only goal was to rescue the magnificent 7, which she did (well 5/7).  Now if you want to talk about stupid, let's talk about how Dany didn't flank Jamie's army.  

As for Arya and Sansa, that entire arc is completely in Arya's character.  From her perspective, Sansa is trying to take the north from Jon, and the letter proved it in her mind.  Is this story actually necessary?  Probably not, but obviously this is gonna lead to LittleFinger getting killed (This show is getting incredibly predictable). 

Would it have been so hard for John to say "Dany, have the dragons concentrate the fire on those guys"?  No, it would have taken less time than all of them climbing on back of the dragon, and would have killed almost all, but perhaps the Night Kings himself (if he had such protection from Dragon fire).  It's really poor writing, and there is NO justification for it.



Soundwave said:
The whole "lets go North to get a wight" plot line has been kinda stupid to be honest but it produced some cool moments.

It's the whole "no one believing there's a zombie army coming despite legit people saying so" that's pissing me off in the first place. Yes woman with dragons who walks through fire, an UNDEAD army is sooo ridiculous of a concept and isn't worth your time. Now she goes off on her own, gets one killed, and it's coming back to seal everyone's doom. Please don't let Daenerys be the one on the Iron Throne when this is over.



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noagenda said:
JakDaSnack said:

Dude, GRRM doesn't know how to finish his books.  He is essentially letting D&D do it for him.  But the issue is that D&D does not have the budget to cover every single character that GRRM has added to his books, which has required them to combine story lines.  

However, you have it all wrong with the rescue scene.  Dany has literally never seen a white walker before, how in the world would she possibly think to have her dragons attack the Night King?  And even if she thought to do so, chances are the Night King would be ready for her.  It was obvious that he wasn't waiting for the ice to melt, but rather was waiting for the dragons to show up so he could claim one for his own(10 bucks says he uses the dragon to melt the wall).  Her only goal was to rescue the magnificent 7, which she did (well 5/7).  Now if you want to talk about stupid, let's talk about how Dany didn't flank Jamie's army.  

As for Arya and Sansa, that entire arc is completely in Arya's character.  From her perspective, Sansa is trying to take the north from Jon, and the letter proved it in her mind.  Is this story actually necessary?  Probably not, but obviously this is gonna lead to LittleFinger getting killed (This show is getting incredibly predictable). 

Would it have been so hard for John to say "Dany, have the dragons concentrate the fire on those guys"?  No, it would have taken less time than all of them climbing on back of the dragon, and would have killed almost all, but perhaps the Night Kings himself (if he had such protection from Dragon fire).  It's really poor writing, and there is NO justification for it.

You are reaching for straws at this point.  



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Hiku said:
JakDaSnack said:

It was obvious that he wasn't waiting for the ice to melt, but rather was waiting for the dragons to show up so he could claim one for his own.

They started moving in on them again as soon as they realized the ice could hold them though.
And that the Night King would know that dragons were on the way does not lie within the capabilities that he has been shown to have so far. So how do you figure that this was obvious?

It's been shown that he has similar abilities to Bran.  But you're right, it probably wasn't obvious, I had just been thinking about ice dragons and such so I figured that the Night King would need a dragon and considering that they didn't attack until moments before the dragons showed up seemed to me that he had been waiting.



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noagenda said:

Would it have been so hard for John to say "Dany, have the dragons concentrate the fire on those guys"?  No, it would have taken less time than all of them climbing on back of the dragon, and would have killed almost all, but perhaps the Night Kings himself (if he had such protection from Dragon fire).  It's really poor writing, and there is NO justification for it.

The shortening of distances (or perhaps complete lack there of) in the last seasons and the tacky dialogue and writing here and there I cannot deny. Still the show succeeds in creating some memorable scenes.

But this that you say right here is spot on. I mean, this showdown between the White Walkers and the dragons, this could have been the end of the threat right there. I mean, more soldiers and Cercei's support a necessity? What was really the need of Cercei or more soldiers when everything they really need is to recreate that moment right there where they face the White Walkers and get to finish them?

Every effort in the future will be to recreate that very moment where they can kill those WW and unless the dragon breath is not enough and they need a Valyrian Steel close combat excecution with those WW to really kill them, I don't see why they didn't end everything right there. Jon Snow figured out that you kill the White Walkers and the dead go puff rightaway just a couple of moments before.



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JakDaSnack said:
noagenda said:

Would it have been so hard for John to say "Dany, have the dragons concentrate the fire on those guys"?  No, it would have taken less time than all of them climbing on back of the dragon, and would have killed almost all, but perhaps the Night Kings himself (if he had such protection from Dragon fire).  It's really poor writing, and there is NO justification for it.

You are reaching for straws at this point.  

It is far from "reaching for straws"; rather, it's the most logical thing that SHOULD have happened during the moments Jon just stared at Dany.

Just bad writing, and there is NO defending it.  As others mentioned, it jumped the shark with that BS.



AbbathTheGrim said:
noagenda said:

Would it have been so hard for John to say "Dany, have the dragons concentrate the fire on those guys"?  No, it would have taken less time than all of them climbing on back of the dragon, and would have killed almost all, but perhaps the Night Kings himself (if he had such protection from Dragon fire).  It's really poor writing, and there is NO justification for it.

The shortening of distances (or perhaps complete lack there of) in the last seasons and the tacky dialogue and writing here and there I cannot deny. Still the show succeeds in creating some memorable scenes.

But this that you say right here is spot on. I mean, this showdown between the White Walkers and the dragons, this could have been the end of the threat right there. I mean, more soldiers and Cercei's support a necessity? What was really the need of Cercei or more soldiers when everything they really need is to recreate that moment right there where they face the White Walkers and get to finish them?

Every effort in the future will be to recreate that very moment where they can kill those WW and unless the dragon breath is not enough and they need a Valyrian Steel close combat excecution with those WW to really kill them, I don't see why they didn't end everything right there. Jon Snow figured out that you kill the White Walkers and the dead go puff rightaway just a couple of moments before.

That is the crux of the problem with this bad writing.  It would have ended the existential threat that the Night King represented to the 7 kingdoms if the characters had acted rationally.  That would have only left Cerci as the protagonist in the last season, which just isn't threatening enough for a whole 6 episodes in season 8.