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Miyamotoo said:
Ali_16x said:

lmao, now that's just delusion, even more so than what the OP is talking about (Not calling the OP delusional, just people that think the Switch will fail, though it depends on what you think is a failure, it will 100% sell more than the Wii U but I'm not sure it'll outsell the 3DS)

There is no way in hell that the Swtich will outsell the PS4, I doubt it'll outsell the PS3.

To be fair we still dont know true potential of Switch because it's still heavily supply constrained and continue to selling great despite that. I dont say it outsell PS4, it will be very hard because PS4 will be second best selling gaming hardware ever after PS2 and DS, but chance always exist. I dont think anybody would be surprised if Switch at end outsold PS3.

 

friendlyfamine said:

Switch outselling PS4 is a delusion. 3DS sales have demonstrated that Pokemon clearly isn't enough when the competition has the likes of GTA, FIFA and COD which counter it. Also, I digress that conceptually, the Switch being a handheld ultimately grants success as it is in the bloodline of those. A lot of the success of the Game Boy, DS and eventually the 3DS came from their affordability. The Switch isn't benefiting from that factor, so we'll have to see how it holds on its own.

-Switch is currently selling better than 3DS in same time period despite fact that costs $300 and that games are $60.

-Switch in same time is aiming home console owners not just handheld owners like GB, DS and 3DS.

-Switch has Splatoon, new 3D Zelda and it will have other home console games, games that  GB, DS and 3DS didnt had, while in same time Switch will have handheld IPs (Pokemon, Animal Crossing...).

-Wii didn't had GTA, but it did had Fifa and CoD, Fifa is coming on Switch, and eventually CoD will also come same like some other 3rd party games buy time.

-Switch will have multiple revisions, buy time it will have much more affordable price point, especially when most likely Nintendo release Switch Mini/Pocket just for handheld play.

 

I dont say that Switch will outsell PS4 but with Switch people need to stay open mined, we still dont know true potential of Switch because it's still heavily supply constrained and continue to selling great despite that, so there is some chance that maybe could outsell even PS4 at end even that would be very hard beacuse PS4 is on path to be second 3. best selling gaming hardware ever after PS2 and DS.

The is also one factor you forgot to mention Switch has no direct competitor in the portable market which means the userbases of both 3DS and Vita have only one option to go for. Before we factor in overlap of users 3DS, Vita and Wii U combined is 94m units, when we factor in overlap it's potentially 85m+ from those 3 platform.

Catching the PS4 is difficult tbh although I can see the NS still easily making the top 10 platforms sold, I actually think it has a good chance of outselling PS3 given all the factors.

I can't remember the last time a Nintendo platform sold heavily at £300 mark my words when the likes of Pokemon and Animal Crossing are nearing completion the is going to be a strategic price cut.

 

Soundwave said:

I'd honestly rather have a Switch that sells 80 million units but has a wider variety of software sold more akin to the days of the SNES than 100 million but a very narrow type of software being the only sellers (mostly Nintendo mascot IPs + some third party crap like LEGO and Just Dance). 

To me that's the bigger challenge for Switch ... can it break out of the stigma of being just a "Nintendo system" and actually have a vibrant overall ecosystem of a wide variety of genres and game types that sell. Nintendo hasn't had that in a long time. 

Portables already have that vibrant ecosystem that's why they're so dominant.



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kazuyamishima said:

WiiU had plenty more 3rd party support than switch is having at the moment concerned to "BiG" games:

 

2 Batman arkham games, 2 Assassins Creed Games, FIFA 13, splinter cell blacklist, tekken tag tournaments 2, black ops II, darksiders 1 and 2, Mass effect 3, need for speed most wanted, amazing Spider-Man 1 and 2, call of duty ghost, deus ex human revolution, Injustice: Gods among us, Madden NFL 13, sniper elite V2, watch dogs and a few more.

any big 3rd party games announced at the moment for switch??

So far announced or out, Dragon Quest XI, DQ Heroes double pack, A "Tales of" game, New project from Bravely Default team "Octopath", Dragon Quest Builders 2, No More Heroes 3, FIFA, Shin Megami Tensei V, Skyrim Remaster, Minecraft, RE Revelations double pack, MHXX etc...

The stark contrast is that this time roud most of the support is from eastern developers.



Wyrdness said:
kazuyamishima said:

WiiU had plenty more 3rd party support than switch is having at the moment concerned to "BiG" games:

 

2 Batman arkham games, 2 Assassins Creed Games, FIFA 13, splinter cell blacklist, tekken tag tournaments 2, black ops II, darksiders 1 and 2, Mass effect 3, need for speed most wanted, amazing Spider-Man 1 and 2, call of duty ghost, deus ex human revolution, Injustice: Gods among us, Madden NFL 13, sniper elite V2, watch dogs and a few more.

any big 3rd party games announced at the moment for switch??

So far announced or out, Dragon Quest XI, DQ Heroes double pack, A "Tales of" game, New project from Bravely Default team "Octopath", Dragon Quest Builders 2, No More Heroes 3, FIFA, Shin Megami Tensei V, Skyrim Remaster, Minecraft, RE Revelations double pack, MHXX etc...

The stark contrast is that this time roud most of the support is from eastern developers.

So basically from SE, a company that already made dragon quest X for WiiU, Octopath a game that is developed from the same team that made bravely default ( a 3ds exclusive), more SE games, no more heroes the game that debuted on Wii, shin Megami tensei a franchise made exclusively for Nintendo handhelds a 6 year old port, a game that is also on iOS and android and 4 remastered games from Crapcom (including USF2).

Is great to have those games for a Nintendo only users.

you forgot Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2 also :)

 

what at about WB games aside of lego games, Bethesda bringing the new and actual IP's, what about rockstar, EA, Ubisoft, Crapcom, Activision, Bandai Namco, Snk, CD project, Koei tecmo, Konami and many many many more third party's any chance?



kazuyamishima said:
Miyamotoo said:

To be fair we still dont know true potential of Switch because it's still heavily supply constrained and continue to selling great despite that. I dont say it outsell PS4, it will be very hard because PS4 will be second best selling gaming hardware ever after PS2 and DS, but chance always exist. I dont think anybody would be surprised if Switch at end outsold PS3.

 

-Switch is currently selling better than 3DS in same time period despite fact that costs $300 and that games are $60.

-Switch in same time is aiming home console owners not just handheld owners like GB, DS and 3DS.

-Switch has Splatoon, new 3D Zelda and it will have other home console games, games that  GB, DS and 3DS didnt had, while in same time Switch will have handheld IPs (Pokemon, Animal Crossing...).

-Wii didn't had GTA, but it did had Fifa and CoD, Fifa is coming on Switch, and eventually CoD will also come same like some other 3rd party games buy time.

-Switch will have multiple revisions, buy time it will have much more affordable price point, especially when most likely Nintendo release Switch Mini/Pocket just for handheld play.

 

I dont say that Switch will outsell PS4 but with Switch people need to stay open mined, we still dont know true potential of Switch because it's still heavily supply constrained and continue to selling great despite that, so there is some chance that maybe could outsell even PS4 at end even that would be very hard beacuse PS4 is on path to be second 3. best selling gaming hardware ever after PS2 and DS.

WiiU had plenty more 3rd party support than switch is having at the moment concerned to "BiG" games:

 

2 Batman arkham games, 2 Assassins Creed Games, FIFA 13, splinter cell blacklist, tekken tag tournaments 2, black ops II, darksiders 1 and 2, Mass effect 3, need for speed most wanted, amazing Spider-Man 1 and 2, call of duty ghost, deus ex human revolution, Injustice: Gods among us, Madden NFL 13, sniper elite V2, watch dogs and a few more.

any big 3rd party games announced at the moment for switch??

That really doesn't change anything because Wii U losed hole 3rd support in it 1st year because was selling terrible and was already dead after 1st year (actually only fact that Wii U failed with all those games while Switch is selling great without those games provest that). Situation with Switch is oposite, Switch maybe has less big 3rd party games on start, but you can bet more games will come on Switch how Switch continue to sell good and instal base is incraasing, after Wii U fail lots a developers are take wait and see approach with Switch, and I am sure next year we will have much more 3rd party announcements.



Wyrdness said:
Miyamotoo said:

To be fair we still dont know true potential of Switch because it's still heavily supply constrained and continue to selling great despite that. I dont say it outsell PS4, it will be very hard because PS4 will be second best selling gaming hardware ever after PS2 and DS, but chance always exist. I dont think anybody would be surprised if Switch at end outsold PS3.

 

-Switch is currently selling better than 3DS in same time period despite fact that costs $300 and that games are $60.

-Switch in same time is aiming home console owners not just handheld owners like GB, DS and 3DS.

-Switch has Splatoon, new 3D Zelda and it will have other home console games, games that  GB, DS and 3DS didnt had, while in same time Switch will have handheld IPs (Pokemon, Animal Crossing...).

-Wii didn't had GTA, but it did had Fifa and CoD, Fifa is coming on Switch, and eventually CoD will also come same like some other 3rd party games buy time.

-Switch will have multiple revisions, buy time it will have much more affordable price point, especially when most likely Nintendo release Switch Mini/Pocket just for handheld play.

 

I dont say that Switch will outsell PS4 but with Switch people need to stay open mined, we still dont know true potential of Switch because it's still heavily supply constrained and continue to selling great despite that, so there is some chance that maybe could outsell even PS4 at end even that would be very hard beacuse PS4 is on path to be second 3. best selling gaming hardware ever after PS2 and DS.

The is also one factor you forgot to mention Switch has no direct competitor in the portable market which means the userbases of both 3DS and Vita have only one option to go for. Before we factor in overlap of users 3DS, Vita and Wii U combined is 94m units, when we factor in overlap it's potentially 85m+ from those 3 platform.

Catching the PS4 is difficult tbh although I can see the NS still easily making the top 10 platforms sold, I actually think it has a good chance of outselling PS3 given all the factors.

I can't remember the last time a Nintendo platform sold heavily at £300 mark my words when the likes of Pokemon and Animal Crossing are nearing completion the is going to be a strategic price cut.

 

Soundwave said:

I'd honestly rather have a Switch that sells 80 million units but has a wider variety of software sold more akin to the days of the SNES than 100 million but a very narrow type of software being the only sellers (mostly Nintendo mascot IPs + some third party crap like LEGO and Just Dance). 

To me that's the bigger challenge for Switch ... can it break out of the stigma of being just a "Nintendo system" and actually have a vibrant overall ecosystem of a wide variety of genres and game types that sell. Nintendo hasn't had that in a long time. 

Portables already have that vibrant ecosystem that's why they're so dominant.

I don't think the 3DS ecosystem is really that vibrant. You have Nintendo IP that sells well and a small handful of Japanese IP, and even with Japanese third parties, they kinda shunned the system after supporting it early on ... Street Fighter, Resident Evil, Ridge Racer, Kingdom Hearts, Tekken, Metal Gear Solid were all IP on the 3DS early but I guess these games did not sell up to whatever internal expectations were on them because these IP never showed up on the 3DS again after that early period. 

Western support of the 3DS is virtually non-existant. I would hope Switch is better than that. 

NBA 2K is the one of the biggest Switch third party IPs by the way. 

Even for Nintendo games, I'd like a more diverse sales pallette where games other than just Mario/Zelda/Pokemon/DK/etc. sell. I miss the days where a game like F-Zero or Star Fox had a shot at decent sales. 



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Soundwave said:

I don't think the 3DS ecosystem is really that vibrant. You have Nintendo IP that sells well and a small handful of Japanese IP, and even with Japanese third parties, they kinda shunned the system after supporting it early on ... Street Fighter, Resident Evil, Ridge Racer, Kingdom Hearts, Tekken, Metal Gear Solid were all IP on the 3DS early but I guess these games did not sell up to whatever internal expectations were on them because these IP never showed up on the 3DS again after that early period. 

Western support of the 3DS is virtually non-existant. I would hope Switch is better than that. 

NBA 2K is the one of the biggest Switch third party IPs by the way. 

Even for Nintendo games, I'd like a more diverse sales pallette where games other than just Mario/Zelda/Pokemon/DK/etc. sell. I miss the days where a game like F-Zero or Star Fox had a shot at decent sales. 

3DS ecosystem is pretty vibrant as you have strong first party IPs support by decent third party titles, off the top of my head.

RE: Revelations
RE: Mercenaries
KH3D
SFIV
Bravely Default
Bravely Second
DQ Remakes (IV, V, VI, VII, VIII)
DQXI
Monster Hunter Games
MGS3
SMT Games
Persona Q
Etrian Games
Fantasy Life
FIFA Games
FF Explorers
Theatrythm Games
Harvest Moon Games
Inzauma Eleven Games
Lego Series Games
Mighty Gunvolt Games
Moon Chronicles
Pro Evo Games
Project X Zone
Scribblenauts
Sonic Games

Western support for any portable has always been minimal because the western developers have always hated portables this is why Sony struggled to even get their own western studios to develop Vita games, even then the lack of western developers doesn't mean the ecosystem for Nintendo portables isn't there as it very much is which is why they've always dominated. Sales of the games is a different matter altogether and doesn't constitute an ecosystem, even games like RE:Revelations sold the most on 3DS.



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Switch won't fail. It's doing great and is maintain a very healthy pace. The only thing holding back sales is the supply.



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oniyide said:
curl-6 said:

Because it's on track to pass or come close to Wii Us lifetime sales in its first year alone and still hasn't had a holiday season, most of its system sellers, hardware revisions, etc.

i meant what was his justification for thinking it wont even do Wii U numbers

You guys take things too seriously.......

At this point I think even a goat will know its gonna be one of nintendos best selling consoles......



Wyrdness said:
Soundwave said:

I don't think the 3DS ecosystem is really that vibrant. You have Nintendo IP that sells well and a small handful of Japanese IP, and even with Japanese third parties, they kinda shunned the system after supporting it early on ... Street Fighter, Resident Evil, Ridge Racer, Kingdom Hearts, Tekken, Metal Gear Solid were all IP on the 3DS early but I guess these games did not sell up to whatever internal expectations were on them because these IP never showed up on the 3DS again after that early period. 

Western support of the 3DS is virtually non-existant. I would hope Switch is better than that. 

NBA 2K is the one of the biggest Switch third party IPs by the way. 

Even for Nintendo games, I'd like a more diverse sales pallette where games other than just Mario/Zelda/Pokemon/DK/etc. sell. I miss the days where a game like F-Zero or Star Fox had a shot at decent sales. 

3DS ecosystem is pretty vibrant as you have strong first party IPs support by decent third party titles, off the top of my head.

RE: Revelations
RE: Mercenaries
KH3D
SFIV
Bravely Default
Bravely Second
DQ Remakes (IV, V, VI, VII, VIII)
DQXI
Monster Hunter Games
MGS3
SMT Games
Persona Q
Etrian Games
Fantasy Life
FIFA Games
FF Explorers
Theatrythm Games
Harvest Moon Games
Inzauma Eleven Games
Lego Series Games
Mighty Gunvolt Games
Moon Chronicles
Pro Evo Games
Project X Zone
Scribblenauts
Sonic Games

Western support for any portable has always been minimal because the western developers have always hated portables this is why Sony struggled to even get their own western studios to develop Vita games, even then the lack of western developers doesn't mean the ecosystem for Nintendo portables isn't there as it very much is which is why they've always dominated. Sales of the games is a different matter altogether and doesn't constitute an ecosystem, even games like RE:Revelations sold the most on 3DS.

As I said 3DS support was good early on, but then fizzled out. 

Where are the subsequent SF, Resident Evil, Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy, FIFA, Madden, Metal Gear Solid, Ridge Racer, Tekken, Dead or Alive, etc. games in the last 3-4 years? 

The machine has basically been whittled down to Nintendo stuff + Monster Hunter + Dragon Quest + Yokai Watch + SMT + LEGO/kid licensed games. 

RE: Revelations sold most on 3DS, and then Capcom makes RE: Revelations 2 for every system but the 3DS, lol. That's kinda case in point right there. 3DS started well, but I think developers got discouraged when early sales didn't maybe match some inflated expectations and then the iOS/Android ecosystem became the new portable hotness and devs started to bail on the 3DS.