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everyone seems awesome except for the Iron Fist guy. Just my opinion. Daredevil is the best tho



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I watched 1.5 episode and I can't take this show seriously. It's basically a CW show.



I finished it. Man Danny is such a dumbass. They even tell him he's an idiot. Felt a bit disjointed.



Seen the whole thing in one sit through yesterday and honestly Iron Fist is completely fine in "The Defenders". The biggest problem with the show was that the action scenes were horribly cut and jumbled. Which sucks because there were a few shots that were amazingly well presented and had the whole fight been shot in that style we would have seen some of the best action scenes in the MCU. Instead there was no style or direction to the editing of some the fight scenes. For example the final fight even cuts 3 times in one second with one of the scenes last a few frames. This doesn't just make the fights hard to see everything going on, it makes it unpleasant to watch.

Over all I really enjoyed it and I'm excited to see where the story goes next. It concludes a lot less than the audience suspects they do which will allow some elements of surprise despite that it'll be more expected than not.




I enjoyed it, thought it was really good. Not great, but good. Some of the fights were a mess though, especially that one in the parking garage place. Like what the fuck happened there?

Sigourney Weaver's character felt completely wasted. Like it felt like they made a big deal out of her being in the show but her character hardly even did anything and wasn't even much different from any of the other villains in the past. 


I will say though the lack of real connections between the TV shows and films is really starting to become more noticably dumber and nonsensical, like it has been for a while. Stick tells them that only they 4 can save New York City. How the fuck is it that in this world, since it takes place in the MCU, not a single one of them even thinks to mention The Avengers or Spider-Man? It's dumb and makes no sense at all. Just like how New York, the place where all the Avengers, Spider-man, Doctor Strange, etc are shakes super violently in the first episode but apparently none of them cared to check it out what was causing it. Not like they live there or anything.



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FloatingWaffles said:

I enjoyed it, thought it was really good. Not great, but good. Some of the fights were a mess though, especially that one in the parking garage place. Like what the fuck happened there?

Sigourney Weaver's character felt completely wasted. Like it felt like they made a big deal out of her being in the show but her character hardly even did anything and wasn't even much different from any of the other villains in the past. 


I will say though the lack of real connections between the TV shows and films is really starting to become more noticably dumber and nonsensical. Stick tells them that only they 4 can save New York City. How the fuck is it that in this world, since it takes place in the MCU, not a single one of them even thinks to mention The Avengers or Spider-Man? It's dumb and makes no sense at all. Just like how New York, the place where all the Avengers, Spider-man, Doctor Strange, etc are shakes super violently in the first episode but apparently none of them cared to check it out what was causing it. Not like they live there or anything.

Well let's be honest. The media reported it as a regular Earthquake and Stark would have taken the bait, Peter would be going to school, Dr Strange hasn't happened yet in the timeline, Captain America probably isn't in America. Not many of the Avengers are in NYC currently as far as we know and Ant-Man lives in the San Francisco Bay Area and the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. crew is closer to Washington D.C. The information that was fed to the public was controlled by The Hand. This is made a huge plot point by Trish and is clearly depicted to the audience.

Also Stick might not know much about the Avengers, and frankly he doesn't give two and a half shits about them. He trained his whole life for this with the Chaste, who NONE of those characters where made aware of. Daredevil and Electra were trained by him. This is what Stick believes and he makes that clear multiple times like when he mentions how he was raised to know "how the world really runs". Iron Fist is relevant because he is the weapon to be used against the hand and the key to so much more. Jessica and Luke become entwined with these characters and their fight against the hand. They just happened to involved in things that connected their paths to the Hand.

It would really make no sense for Iron-Man or Spider-Man to get involved unless there was something to get them involved. Since Spider-Man and Daredevil haven't crossed paths yet there was no reason for Matt to ring up Spider-Man and say "Hey bro, I need your help with something" which in turn would have the MCU's Spider-Man call up Iron-man and say "Dada help plz" or what ever stupid thing this version of Spider-Man would say to Stark that will trigger me off the rails.

The other characters really don't make since timeline wise. The Defenders takes place in 2016 shortly after Civil War. Basically around the time of Ghost Rider's emergence and his struggles and Spider-Man is busy with The Vulture. At this time Dr. Strange is in a hospital bed from his accident. Many people don't actually realize that the events of Spider-Man: Homecoming and Doctor Strange are both in September 2016. Though Doctor Strange's movie takes place over the course of 2-3 months.




Airaku said:
FloatingWaffles said:

I enjoyed it, thought it was really good. Not great, but good. Some of the fights were a mess though, especially that one in the parking garage place. Like what the fuck happened there?

Sigourney Weaver's character felt completely wasted. Like it felt like they made a big deal out of her being in the show but her character hardly even did anything and wasn't even much different from any of the other villains in the past. 


I will say though the lack of real connections between the TV shows and films is really starting to become more noticably dumber and nonsensical. Stick tells them that only they 4 can save New York City. How the fuck is it that in this world, since it takes place in the MCU, not a single one of them even thinks to mention The Avengers or Spider-Man? It's dumb and makes no sense at all. Just like how New York, the place where all the Avengers, Spider-man, Doctor Strange, etc are shakes super violently in the first episode but apparently none of them cared to check it out what was causing it. Not like they live there or anything.

Well let's be honest. The media reported it as a regular Earthquake and Stark would have taken the bait, Peter would be going to school, Dr Strange hasn't happened yet in the timeline, Captain America probably isn't in America. Not many of the Avengers are in NYC currently as far as we know and Ant-Man lives in the San Francisco Bay Area and the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. crew is closer to Washington D.C. The information that was fed to the public was controlled by The Hand. This is made a huge plot point by Trish and is clearly depicted to the audience.

Also Stick might not know much about the Avengers, and frankly he doesn't give two and a half shits about them. He trained his whole life for this with the Chaste, who NONE of those characters where made aware of. Daredevil and Electra were trained by him. This is what Stick believes and he makes that clear multiple times like when he mentions how he was raised to know "how the world really runs". Iron Fist is relevant because he is the weapon to be used against the hand and the key to so much more. Jessica and Luke become entwined with these characters and their fight against the hand. They just happened to involved in things that connected their paths to the Hand.

It would really make no sense for Iron-Man or Spider-Man to get involved unless there was something to get them involved. Since Spider-Man and Daredevil haven't crossed paths yet there was no reason for Matt to ring up Spider-Man and say "Hey bro, I need your help with something" which in turn would have the MCU's Spider-Man call up Iron-man and say "Dada help plz" or what ever stupid thing this version of Spider-Man would say to Stark that will trigger me off the rails.

The other characters really don't make since timeline wise. The Defenders takes place in 2016 shortly after Civil War. Basically around the time of Ghost Rider's emergence and his struggles and Spider-Man is busy with The Vulture. At this time Dr. Strange is in a hospital bed from his accident. Many people don't actually realize that the events of Spider-Man: Homecoming and Doctor Strange are both in September 2016. Though Doctor Strange's movie takes place over the course of 2-3 months.

Has it ever been actually confirmed when the Netflix TV shows take place though? Like is it real time like the films or is it set in between events of a certain few of the films?

And yeah the media did report it as an earthquake but even in just the second episode there were plenty of people talking about how it couldn't have been an earthquake and such and how after "the incident" (the first avengers movie) people were scared, so a lot of people were suspicious of it. I know the Avengers deal with global threats and not street level ones and such but it still just seems a bit off how none of them would bother to check that out just in case considering how literally all of them live in New York and would have felt it as well. (Unless it happened during like Civil War or something to where they wouldn't be in New York). 

Maybe Stick wouldn't care at all about The Avengers enough to mention them, but i'm talking overall though. Like how is it in this world, where they all obviously know about The Avengers, Spider-Man, etc, the thought of it didn't cross any one of their minds? Stick says "only the 4 of you can save New York". And then one of them like Daredevil could have just responded "What about the Avengers? Or that Spider-Man guy? Can't we try and get help for this?". And then Stick or someone responds like "The Avengers only deal with global threats, and if you would have a way to contact Spider-Man i'm all ears" or "this isn't their fight". Like they all live in the same world, the world where The Avengers are worldwide know, and in New York obviously everyone knows about Spider-Man, but it didn't cross ANY of their minds to even mention it? It just seems so unrealistic, considering how they mention 'the incident' a lot as well in the shows.

That would make sense as to why they wouldn't have been involved. It would have literally taken one line, less than a minute to even say, and that could have pleased a lot of fans, because a lot of people have been complaining about how disconnected the shows feel from the overall MCU, with some even doubting they even are in the MCU at this point due to it. But they couldn't even do that. It just sucks because a lot of people want the Netflix characters to eventually finally crossover into the films but it just feels like someone over there just doesn't care enough to do it if they can't even put in a line every now and then. 



Yeah, it was a mistake to set this in the MCU - it feels so disjointed. It's never believable that this is set in the same universe. Also, where is the Punisher?



FloatingWaffles said:
Airaku said:

Well let's be honest. The media reported it as a regular Earthquake and Stark would have taken the bait, Peter would be going to school, Dr Strange hasn't happened yet in the timeline, Captain America probably isn't in America. Not many of the Avengers are in NYC currently as far as we know and Ant-Man lives in the San Francisco Bay Area and the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. crew is closer to Washington D.C. The information that was fed to the public was controlled by The Hand. This is made a huge plot point by Trish and is clearly depicted to the audience.

Also Stick might not know much about the Avengers, and frankly he doesn't give two and a half shits about them. He trained his whole life for this with the Chaste, who NONE of those characters where made aware of. Daredevil and Electra were trained by him. This is what Stick believes and he makes that clear multiple times like when he mentions how he was raised to know "how the world really runs". Iron Fist is relevant because he is the weapon to be used against the hand and the key to so much more. Jessica and Luke become entwined with these characters and their fight against the hand. They just happened to involved in things that connected their paths to the Hand.

It would really make no sense for Iron-Man or Spider-Man to get involved unless there was something to get them involved. Since Spider-Man and Daredevil haven't crossed paths yet there was no reason for Matt to ring up Spider-Man and say "Hey bro, I need your help with something" which in turn would have the MCU's Spider-Man call up Iron-man and say "Dada help plz" or what ever stupid thing this version of Spider-Man would say to Stark that will trigger me off the rails.

The other characters really don't make since timeline wise. The Defenders takes place in 2016 shortly after Civil War. Basically around the time of Ghost Rider's emergence and his struggles and Spider-Man is busy with The Vulture. At this time Dr. Strange is in a hospital bed from his accident. Many people don't actually realize that the events of Spider-Man: Homecoming and Doctor Strange are both in September 2016. Though Doctor Strange's movie takes place over the course of 2-3 months.

Has it ever been actually confirmed when the Netflix TV shows take place though? Like is it real time like the films or is it set in between events of a certain few of the films?

And yeah the media did report it as an earthquake but even in just the second episode there were plenty of people talking about how it couldn't have been an earthquake and such and how after "the incident" (the first avengers movie) people were scared, so a lot of people were suspicious of it. I know the Avengers deal with global threats and not street level ones and such but it still just seems a bit off how none of them would bother to check that out just in case considering how literally all of them live in New York and would have felt it as well. (Unless it happened during like Civil War or something to where they wouldn't be in New York). 

Maybe Stick wouldn't care at all about The Avengers enough to mention them, but i'm talking overall though. Like how is it in this world, where they all obviously know about The Avengers, Spider-Man, etc, the thought of it didn't cross any one of their minds? Stick says "only the 4 of you can save New York". And then one of them like Daredevil could have just responded "What about the Avengers? Or that Spider-Man guy? Can't we try and get help for this?". And then Stick or someone responds like "The Avengers only deal with global threats, and if you would have a way to contact Spider-Man i'm all ears" or "this isn't their fight". Like they all live in the same world, the world where The Avengers are worldwide know, and in New York obviously everyone knows about Spider-Man, but it didn't cross ANY of their minds to even mention it? It just seems so unrealistic, considering how they mention 'the incident' a lot as well in the shows.

That would make sense as to why they wouldn't have been involved. It would have literally taken one line, less than a minute to even say, and that could have pleased a lot of fans, because a lot of people have been complaining about how disconnected the shows feel from the overall MCU, with some even doubting they even are in the MCU at this point due to it. But they couldn't even do that. It just sucks because a lot of people want the Netflix characters to eventually finally crossover into the films but it just feels like someone over there just doesn't care enough to do it if they can't even put in a line every now and then. 

Yes it's been confirmed. For example Season 1 of Daredevil takes place some times after the events of the first Avengers films, though according to Charlie Cox it was in 2015 and the events are remembered very well. In fact if you pay attention to all the world building there are lots of subtle hints to this such as news paper articles, people selling footage of the events, and so on. One of the interesting things about the Netflix shows is that rather than being in your face about the connections to the MCU like the movies or the network television shows such as Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., the connections are subtle and are developed in the world building rather than direct. They are there but this allows for a bit more of an isolated form of telling the story. Interestingly enough the Stan Lee cameos are done in a similar fashion to reflect this. His cameos are often found as pictures of him or as posters on the wall, but they are there and they are pretty hard to miss.

I'm not sure what exact day or month that The Defenders takes place in, but we know it's in 2016 MCU time. It absolutely has to be in the Summer/Fall period and this writes off a lot of characters, especially Spider-Man and Dr Strange and the well... Everyone really. Also if Iron-Man couldn't take the time to aid Peter, I doubt he's going to look in to an Earthquake. As for Spider-Man, the Defenders wouldn't know about him and they probably would vote against letting a kid join the fight. I don't see Matt or Luke being okay with that.  What we do know is that The Defenders either takes place during the Civil War or during Spider-Man: Homecoming/Doctor Strange. As the timelines catch up then yes, the Accords or even the Index will need to be addressed for in one way or another right now it's actually not an issue as much as people try to claim it to be. It's going to be hard to avoid this issue with Luke Cage, and I don't think he'll have a problem signing the accords either and it's a plot point they can explore between Luke and Misty Knight. As for the others, well Danny might be open to it but convincing Jessica and Matt is a bit of laughing matter imho.

ClassicGamingWizzz said:
do i need to see iron fist to enjoy this ?

Absolutely, 100%! Danny Rand is technically the central focus of the plot for "The Defenders". He's the key to everything. Daredevil is also nearly equally important to watch if you want to see how everything ties together and to obviously know about his side of the Hand, who Stick is, and who Elektra is. The DD Season 2 cliffhanger ties into The Defenders and basically everything involving Danny and The Hand in Iron Fist is brought up in The Defenders, and I do mean everything.  Both Jessica Jones and Luke Cage are a bit more isolated and don't deal with the war against the Hand in their own shows but fate leads them to from the Defenders and still draws connection; however their supporting characters return and references are made to their stories. "The Defenders" ties all the shows and their characters together very well and even often opts for that character's artistic style from their show when solely focusing on them on their own in the earlier episodes. Which is really cool. It's an accumulation of everything for those characters. If you miss one show it'll really hinder your appreciation and enjoyment of the show from a design perspective, from a story perspective Daredevil and Iron Fist are absolute musts to be able to follow even some of the most basic key plot points correctly.




SegataSanshiro said:
I finished it. Man Danny is such a dumbass. They even tell him he's an idiot. Felt a bit disjointed.

"Because this one, the immortal Iron Fist, living weapon and protector of the ancient city...is still a thundering dumbass."

But seriously... I find Danny's childlike need to team up with other people and go fight people head on stupid yet incredibly endearing. Iron Fist (TV Show) wasn't very good because it relied solely on Danny being a boring asshole who is put into a situation that is taken way too seriously. In here, we at least have Jessica Jones and Luke Cage to make fun of him when he tries to be melodramatic.