I'll say the S lost steam, to be more charitable, though it's really just semantics.
The console barely ranks in the Amazon US top 100 despite price cuts and heavy bundling, and worldwide the situation is even more dire.
Which really wouldn't matter if MS weren't banking for there to be an audience willing to buy a beefed-up version of the thing that isn't selling, at a higher price.

It doesn't make sense when you say that MS isn't making X1X be a "new gen" but that when the next xbox come then X1X will be new gen because the price point will be lower and it'll sell better.

Which company would justify a "generation" on the premises that it will start selling 3years later?

I just told you why I brought them up.  Trying to tell me what I was thinking because that is what you thought well is wrong.  As for the PS3 beating the 360 in sales, what did Sony have to do to achieve that goal.  They had to lose every drop of profits they made from the PS2 era in order to do that.  So yes, they may have won the market share but if you have to go into the red to do so, would any company feel that is an achievement.  Either way, was the PS3 a success or not.  Do you believe killing all you profits for marketshare a success.

Your opinion on the X1X tanking sales on the S is exactly that an opinion.  If anything is tanking S sales it's the PS4 being the better console.  If the X1X at 500 bones is tanking the S then that would mean the X1X is going to sale pretty damn good which I doubt at this time.

 As to your last point, well of course my prediction that the X1X could be a better option when Sony and MS drop their next console is exactly that a prediction.  How the heck would I have proof of something that did not occur yet.  Never said it was fact and its very clear this is an opinion since it never happen before.  Why you seem to be getting riled up over opinions seems strange.

I am not trying to retroactively do anything, it's an opinion.  You nor I have any data to back up anything we have argued in this discussion.  It's  my opinion and pretty much it.  If anything, by your comments you believe your opinion is somehow superior when you have nothing to back up your suggestion as well.  You seem to hold your opinion as fact or something which is the only way I can see why you are getting an attitude when someone disagree.  If it’s a problem someone having a different opinion then yours, I suggest you do not share it if it is going to cause you to get upset.

Ok, I see your confusion.   Let take the next gen part off any new console MS does in the next 3 years.  I thought it was stated within my last post how I see the next console from MS will be.  Hopfully that clears up my statement.  As for Sony, they stated they are not going away from a new gen so who knows what their next system will support.

Nope it doesn't... you say MS is doing the same message as Sony.

Sony is saying they are putting a improved version of PS4 that will do the same just a little better.

MS is implying that X1X is going to play what came before and what will come after.

There is really no point in having let's say a console that sell 100k with another doing 20k per week globally to wait and make it sell 100k 3 years later when it's less expensive to make and the new console releases. That isn't even how it works.

Consoles get cheaper because they gain scale to dilute cost, improved experience as production goes by and being the most used technology at the time. X1X is using the base of what is inside X1 already but powered up. By 2020 or 2021 when we suppose X1XX comes by the technology on X1X won't be standard anymore so they will lose a big part of cost saving due to use standard parts.

Also the common curve on console sales will probably make the X1X not ever take off.

Because face it, when PS5 comes by and perhaps it plays PS4 games, but not the other way, people will need and want to buy PS5. At the same time you'll have X1X as very inferior to PS5 and let's say X1XX on par. Who will really go and buy the 3 year old inferior HW for the current gen when there is the current one? And worse yet, X1XX will be bond to X1X.

What is really made to sell is the baseline of the system. X360 sold less arcade and elite versions than it sold of the standard edition. People doesn't really want barebone or over the top.

Maybe. But as I've said here several times before it's too early to judge. I think we should wait before this holiday season is over and then it will be clear if One S lost steam or not.

I said MS is doing the same message for the X1X.  Its a mid gen console, it has no exclusive games, it plays exactly same games as the X1, its made for people with 4K displays.  Are those not the same message both Sony and MS has stated for Mid gen consoles.

Now if you are talking about the future of the eco system then Yes, MS created the X1X forward and backward compatible.  Their next console based on what MS has stated should also be forward and Backward compatible but then again they have made no announcement on that yet so we can Only Assume.

At bolded.  I have no clue what you are talking about.  Who knows where the X1X will be by the time the next system drops for MS.  Also why are you assuming MS would look at their eco system the way you are looking at it.  If anything they will look at install bases including all systems.  From Xs, X1X and whatever new system comes out.  Why would MS not think that in 3 years, the X1X is not selling better when it's price drops and it continue to be the dominate console when it comes to performance etc.

By your second point then the PS2 must have been killing Sony in price and parts because its part were not main stream when the PS3 came along.  Is that the same case between Nvidia and AMD when they bring out a new card, the older cards must be costing them more money to sell at a reduced price.  Now if something does not make sense, that part does not.  Its not like this is something new in the industry, its only new for consoles.

As to who will spend money on the inferior 3 year old system when the next iteration comes out, probably the same people who are purchasing a PS4 instead of the Pro or an X1 instead of the X1X.  It really will depend on the separation the next iteation has over the mid gen.  As I stated, if they all still play the same games then price becomes a big incentive.

"if your prediction [that full next gen upgrades sell better] was true then the WiiU and PS3 would have been run away success if each company hand only to just make a console and people would buy it"
vs.
"I bring up the WiiU and PS3 because corporations no matter how long being in the market can make mistakes"

You didn't mention these consoles as mistakes in your first post, but as two supposedly poor selling, full next gen upgrades. 
You moved on to a different point when your first one was shot down, and are now yet again moving on to talk about profits.

Now, I've explained numerous times why I believe what I say, but the best you could come up with is to try and paint me as "upset" over "just opinions", since you've had nothing to back yours up.
Sales for the S have significantly lost steam over the past year; if Sony had similar losses, I'd ascribe it to something that affected both; say the Switch launching. If this were not a recent development, you could ascribe it to the PS4 being a more popular system.
However only MS seems to be affected, and only in the past year of so have sales lowered significantly.
The only major change affecting only MS in the past year has been their aggressive marketing for the X, which featured prominently at two of the company's biggest events. It stands to reason that would affect S sales, as it would paint it as undesirable.
S sales going down is not my opinion, it is data you yourself can see, yet you fail to provide a sensible explanation.
If, as you say, it's because the PS4 is a "better console" (you fail to provide a metric for this "better") this would not be a recent development YoY.
Your explanation is faulty.

That full fledged hardware upgrades sell better than mid-gen upgrades is not, again, my opinion: it's a recognizable and predictable trend.
The Pro hasn't sold in line with the base PS4, the New 3DS hasn't sold in line with the base 3DS, years after it's launch, and the X won't sell in line with the S.
My prediction is that these trends will continue; your prediction is that they will suddenly and unexplicably change.
It would take an unprecedented surge in sales for mid-gen hardware to make up for the significantly lower sales during their first years.
Your "prediction" amounts to little more than wishful thinking, backed by no data.

I suggest you stop projecting "being upset" onto people, and start backing up what you say with data and clear reasoning. 

I think you shouldn't be posting in a thread about marketing and sales prediction if you want to wait.

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