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This doesn't surprise me at all, noooooope. Capitalism always tends in one direction, after all; find any way to make bigger profits =p



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arcaneguyver said:
Definitely not a day one buy, no matter how much I loved the first. But if it turns out you can ignore the microtransactions (and multiplayer), then it will eventually find its way on my system.

Well you can ignore them, but the game will be not as fun due to them. You know, what normally took an hour of say grinding now takes 3 hours. The better rate drop chests are real money only and the ingame ones have horrible drop rates. Stuff like that.

 

Azzanation said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Except microtransaction are going to have an effect on the main game whether you use them or not. We all know how the "free to play" phone game market works. They design a game intentionally to make it damn near impossible to play without spending money. So if you don't spend money in addition to buying the game it'll be a grindfest, and less fun of an experience. 

I dont think this game is anything like those free to play mobile game systems. Also boycotting good games isnt going to stop that evolution.

This game doesnt interest me because i am not into Lord of the Ring games. Not because of its MT or DLCs. Iv played some amazing games and some really bad games with MTs. A good game will always be a good game.

Sure it might not have a stamina system where you can only play so long before you need to purchase more time, but you can bet your ass that it will make getting in-game currency or finding those legendary/epic items much much harder than before. Inticing one to spend real money. So what normally would be a say 50 hour game to 100% and get perfect equipment, ect, now takes one 200 hours to do the exact same thing because they reduced the loot drop rate.

DonFerrari said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Except microtransaction are going to have an effect on the main game whether you use them or not. We all know how the "free to play" phone game market works. They design a game intentionally to make it damn near impossible to play without spending money. So if you don't spend money in addition to buying the game it'll be a grindfest, and less fun of an experience. 

I'm playing Final Fantasy Brave Exvius for over 1 year without expending 1 cent and I constantly are in top 15k on the server, in front of several paying guys.

Yes, but I bet you spend more time playing than them. I've played F2P games before. I know how it works. Paying say $10 can cut like 10 hours of mindless grinding. So instead of having to spend hours on a saturday doing a mission over and over again, you can drop $10. Or instaed of taking out your phone every few hours at work to use your stamina and not waste it, you can drop $10 and not have to worry about it all week. I woudl say $10 is worth the peace of mind of ignoring a mindless grind all week in a F2P game.

Thus why I quit playing those games. They are just collectathons. All your doing is trying ot collect them all essentailly. Sure there is some gameplay, card game, raids, ect. But htat just a distraction from you trying to get every unit, card, character, ect. THen they come out with new things ever couple months that make all your prior things basically worhtless.



irstupid said:
arcaneguyver said:
Definitely not a day one buy, no matter how much I loved the first. But if it turns out you can ignore the microtransactions (and multiplayer), then it will eventually find its way on my system.

Well you can ignore them, but the game will be not as fun due to them. You know, what normally took an hour of say grinding now takes 3 hours. The better rate drop chests are real money only and the ingame ones have horrible drop rates. Stuff like that.

 

Azzanation said:

I dont think this game is anything like those free to play mobile game systems. Also boycotting good games isnt going to stop that evolution.

This game doesnt interest me because i am not into Lord of the Ring games. Not because of its MT or DLCs. Iv played some amazing games and some really bad games with MTs. A good game will always be a good game.

Sure it might not have a stamina system where you can only play so long before you need to purchase more time, but you can bet your ass that it will make getting in-game currency or finding those legendary/epic items much much harder than before. Inticing one to spend real money. So what normally would be a say 50 hour game to 100% and get perfect equipment, ect, now takes one 200 hours to do the exact same thing because they reduced the loot drop rate.

DonFerrari said:

I'm playing Final Fantasy Brave Exvius for over 1 year without expending 1 cent and I constantly are in top 15k on the server, in front of several paying guys.

Yes, but I bet you spend more time playing than them. I've played F2P games before. I know how it works. Paying say $10 can cut like 10 hours of mindless grinding. So instead of having to spend hours on a saturday doing a mission over and over again, you can drop $10. Or instaed of taking out your phone every few hours at work to use your stamina and not waste it, you can drop $10 and not have to worry about it all week. I woudl say $10 is worth the peace of mind of ignoring a mindless grind all week in a F2P game.

Thus why I quit playing those games. They are just collectathons. All your doing is trying ot collect them all essentailly. Sure there is some gameplay, card game, raids, ect. But htat just a distraction from you trying to get every unit, card, character, ect. THen they come out with new things ever couple months that make all your prior things basically worhtless.

you are basically right. although I'm using some macro for the repeated grind... but pay to advance becomes pay not to play and that is kinda silly. But people do it to not fall back. If any game requires me to poor continued money I'll probably just drop from it.



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Chazore said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

*Hugs massive collection of physical games tightly.*

*Nails down the HDD's to the desk*

 

I'm glad we have a client/store/company like CDP with GoG and in other cases, clients with an offline mode and games that do not require an always online connection to function. I don't game physically anymore on PC, but I can still play the majority of my games offline without any hassle. 

 

That said, there are more AAA companies out there that are looking towards games as more of a service to benefit them both profit and control wise, with us being left with zero benefits and upsides. It's rather sad that the games industry is without it's own watchdog system, where said companies can and will be punished for taking more anti consumer stances. I've seen other industries where said companies end up suffering from either the law or general loss of profit, while the games inudstry solely relies on one big company suing another (for their own benefit) or everyone getting their collective minds together and stopping full time support for a brief moment in time. 

Do you back up all your steam files and games on a seperate HDD? I know it sounds paranoid, but eventually valve won't be such a friendly company. It happened to Activision back in the 90's. It'll happen to Valve one day too. 



I'm not buying this game either way. The first felt really repetitive, lacked color and overall just felt like a chore to play.



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Cerebralbore101 said:

Do you back up all your steam files and games on a seperate HDD? I know it sounds paranoid, but eventually valve won't be such a friendly company. It happened to Activision back in the 90's. It'll happen to Valve one day too. 

Depends, if it's a large ass file like GTA, Witcher 3 or Ark, then yeah I'll keep those backed up as I don't want to spend hours downloading them again. I do this with mods for Fallout, Skyrim, Witcher etc, that use Nexus mod manager. Some mods end up being removed or unsupported, so I definitely save those on another drive.

I don't really see Valve pulling an Activision and getting away with it. EA and Ubisoft I can see doing it, as it's their own games on their own store and they have their fingers in multiple markets.



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irstupid said:
arcaneguyver said:
Definitely not a day one buy, no matter how much I loved the first. But if it turns out you can ignore the microtransactions (and multiplayer), then it will eventually find its way on my system.

Well you can ignore them, but the game will be not as fun due to them. You know, what normally took an hour of say grinding now takes 3 hours. The better rate drop chests are real money only and the ingame ones have horrible drop rates. Stuff like that.

 

Have...have you played it already somehow? I've played a few RPGs that have "buy XP/coin/progression stuff" and none of that mattered or made the game feel overlong, they exist for crappy players who need a crutch. Like I said, not a day one buy because I want to hear if the microtransactions ruin things or not. There really wasn't any grinding in the first - you get abilities as you progress in the story - so I don't have any reason to expect the sequel to.

Chazore said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Do you back up all your steam files and games on a seperate HDD? I know it sounds paranoid, but eventually valve won't be such a friendly company. It happened to Activision back in the 90's. It'll happen to Valve one day too. 

Depends, if it's a large ass file like GTA, Witcher 3 or Ark, then yeah I'll keep those backed up as I don't want to spend hours downloading them again. I do this with mods for Fallout, Skyrim, Witcher etc, that use Nexus mod manager. Some mods end up being removed or unsupported, so I definitely save those on another drive.

I don't really see Valve pulling an Activision and getting away with it. EA and Ubisoft I can see doing it, as it's their own games on their own store and they have their fingers in multiple markets.

That just reminded me that companies are free to take thier games off the steam store anytime they like. So if more companies come out with something like U Play, or Origen and take their games off Steam, that could kill it without Valve going bad.



DonFerrari said:
The reason I avoid most open world and some RPGs is exactly the big traveling time, excessive grinding, etc.. I'm hating Witcher 3 on this. over 30h of playing still on level 18 and on level 3 I already had level 30 missions open.

I thought the Witcher 3 did a good job of it because of all the interesting sidequests and exploration. 



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
DonFerrari said:
The reason I avoid most open world and some RPGs is exactly the big traveling time, excessive grinding, etc.. I'm hating Witcher 3 on this. over 30h of playing still on level 18 and on level 3 I already had level 30 missions open.

I thought the Witcher 3 did a good job of it because of all the interesting sidequests and exploration. 

You mean all the excesive sidequests, exploration and roaming that if streamlined could make you finish the game in 30h and only doing over 200h if you want to do sidequest like FF or other JRPGs where you can do "linear" playthrough and finish the game with levels won without sidequests? I just abhorr excessively lenght games and open world useless chores... I don't like to do chores even at work, much less at a game, fetching things up and down.



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