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FIT_Gamer said:
Kane1389 said:

No, dont listen to esablishment shills, there were absolutley both sides that did wrong. In fact, the nationalists were mostly peaceful until the Antifa, Black Bloc and other far left lunatics showed up to start shit as they usually do

Surounding a church and synagogue with torches and weapons chanting "Blood and Soil" and "Jews will not replace us" sure is peaceful. The people inside must have been at complete comfort. 

Yes, it is peaceful, as words cannot be violent by definition. Throwing rocks, macing and assaulting people on the other hand...



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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Superman4 said:

Robert E Lee also wanted Slavery, so we should listen to him now that you agree with him?

lol what the fuck is this logic 

Pretty sound logic. You want his statue removed because you dont agree with what he represented but are ok with him not wanting a statue because it fits your agenda. Kind of like bible thumpers I guess, pick the pieces you like and leave out the rest so everything is ok in your world.



Superman4 said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

lol what the fuck is this logic 

Pretty sound logic. You want his statue removed because you dont agree with what he represented but are ok with him not wanting a statue because it fits your agenda. Kind of like bible thumpers I guess, pick the pieces you like and leave out the rest so everything is ok in your world.

No, it's nothing like "bible thumpers". The bible is supposed to represent the perfect being (God) and as such nitpicking pieces out of it to fit an agenda would be showing a logical issue with said perfection. Robert E Lee is not a perfect being and NO ONE says he is. He's human, some of his stances hold up with time, others don't. And his stance that "confederate monuments should be taken down" simply holds up with time better than some of his other stances.

I don't want the monument down, by the way.



Superman4 said:
FIT_Gamer said:

Even Robert E. Lee himself didn't not want Confederate monuments put up after the war. They have no place being here. 

Robert E Lee also wanted Slavery, so we should listen to him now that you agree with him?

Well, that's not entirely true. If it was, he wouldn't have freed all of the slaves owned by his family. Not sure what this has to do with anything though.



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outlawauron said:
Superman4 said:

Robert E Lee also wanted Slavery, so we should listen to him now that you agree with him?

Well, that's not entirely true. If it was, he wouldn't have freed all of the slaves owned by his family. Not sure what this has to do with anything though.

Pretty sure the people who ended up freeing slaves did so because they had no choice. Once the South lost, it was a done deal. My point was essentially one the left puts on everyone who doesnt agree with them. Anything Trump says gets blasted regardless of whether its a good point or valid because the left is of the mindset that he is evil. Anything Hitler did or used has been banned or associated with racism regardless of if it actually was racist, anything he said or did has been relegated to him being evil and anyone who repeats anything he may have said is labled a sympathiser or a Nazi.

Basically their is no distinction between right and wrong once the person is labled as "on the other side", it all becomes wrong.  Just like everything Hillary or Bernie says is gold for the left.

 

I could personally care less about any statue, my concern with the issue in general is that it really is an attempt to re-write history and play to the left wing racist agenda. They ar ealready talking about replacing the statues with prominant black people, again I dont haved a problem with that aside from the fact you are removing one for the other. If you want equality then just like people, the statues can co-exist.



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Superman4 said:

Pretty sure the people who ended up freeing slaves did so because they had no choice. Once the South lost, it was a done deal. My point was essentially one the left puts on everyone who doesnt agree with them. Anything Trump says gets blasted regardless of whether its a good point or valid because the left is of the mindset that he is evil. Anything Hitler did or used has been banned or associated with racism regardless of if it actually was racist, anything he said or did has been relegated to him being evil and anyone who repeats anything he may have said is labled a sympathiser or a Nazi.

Basically their is no distinction between right and wrong once the person is labled as "on the other side", it all becomes wrong.  Just like everything Hillary or Bernie says is gold for the left.

 

I could personally care less about any statue, my concern with the issue in general is that it really is an attempt to re-write history and play to the left wing racist agenda. They ar ealready talking about replacing the statues with prominant black people, again I dont haved a problem with that aside from the fact you are removing one for the other. If you want equality then just like people, the statues can co-exist.

I still don't see how removing statues is "re-writing" or "erasing" history. No on is trying to erase history. They are removing monuments that should have never been put there in the first place. 

Also those of us that are truly on the left don't and never have supported Hillary. She a corporate shill and not even remotely liberal. Center/right at best. 



Superman4 said:
outlawauron said:

Well, that's not entirely true. If it was, he wouldn't have freed all of the slaves owned by his family. Not sure what this has to do with anything though.

Pretty sure the people who ended up freeing slaves did so because they had no choice. Once the South lost, it was a done deal. My point was essentially one the left puts on everyone who doesnt agree with them. Anything Trump says gets blasted regardless of whether its a good point or valid because the left is of the mindset that he is evil. Anything Hitler did or used has been banned or associated with racism regardless of if it actually was racist, anything he said or did has been relegated to him being evil and anyone who repeats anything he may have said is labled a sympathiser or a Nazi.

Basically their is no distinction between right and wrong once the person is labled as "on the other side", it all becomes wrong.  Just like everything Hillary or Bernie says is gold for the left.

 

I could personally care less about any statue, my concern with the issue in general is that it really is an attempt to re-write history and play to the left wing racist agenda. They ar ealready talking about replacing the statues with prominant black people, again I dont haved a problem with that aside from the fact you are removing one for the other. If you want equality then just like people, the statues can co-exist.

Considering how long after the civil war most of these statues were put up don't you think their original intent was for rewriting history? With that in mind I don't really think replacing them is that meaningful. If you want to remember the big mistakes in history remember the victims, not the purpetrators. That's the same reason we remember WWII with holocaust memorials instead of giant hitler statues. If you place a regal looking statue of someone out in the public square you aren't saying "hey let's remember this dingus" you are saying "wow that guy was pretty great". Statues like this aren't about logging history, they are about choosing who we look up to, and I'd hope that we don't want to look up to the confederacy.



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Kane1389 said:
sethnintendo said:

Keep chanting Jews will not replace us.

What? What does this post have to do with anything I said??

BTW, they were chanting you will not replace us, not jews

It just seemed like you were trying to stick up for neo nazis and KKK.  What do you think is going to happen if two groups that hate each other converge in public?  Yes, there will be fights but I don't agree with trying to put more blame or equal blame on anti fascist. 

Neo Nazis and KKK are scum and it was pretty fucking obvious to most people that they were there to start trouble than to "defend" a stupid statue of a traitor to the USA.  They brought clubs and shields to apparently "protect" themselves because they knew their primitive views are greatly opposed by a majority of Americans.  I grew up in the north and currently live in the south.  I don't give a fuck about the confed or so called preserving history when most these statues went up during the civil rights movement and not directly after the war.  It is pretty obvious what those statues purpose was when erected during that time period.  I'll gladly talk shit to anyone that flies a traitor flag such as the confed flag.  The war was like 150+ years ago.  Confed side lost and was in the wrong.  Get over it you damn sore losers.  You can put your statues of your "heros" in a museum but confed traitor statues and flags don't belong on USA public land. 

I'm actually surprised that you guys have a Washington statue in London.



BLM and Antifa/Alt-Left will take care of the White Supremacists/KKK/Neo Nazis/Alt-Right. The alt-left outnumber the alt-right at most political rallies. 



Superman4 said:
outlawauron said:

Well, that's not entirely true. If it was, he wouldn't have freed all of the slaves owned by his family. Not sure what this has to do with anything though.

Pretty sure the people who ended up freeing slaves did so because they had no choice. Once the South lost, it was a done deal. My point was essentially one the left puts on everyone who doesnt agree with them. Anything Trump says gets blasted regardless of whether its a good point or valid because the left is of the mindset that he is evil. Anything Hitler did or used has been banned or associated with racism regardless of if it actually was racist, anything he said or did has been relegated to him being evil and anyone who repeats anything he may have said is labled a sympathiser or a Nazi.

Basically their is no distinction between right and wrong once the person is labled as "on the other side", it all becomes wrong.  Just like everything Hillary or Bernie says is gold for the left.

 

I could personally care less about any statue, my concern with the issue in general is that it really is an attempt to re-write history and play to the left wing racist agenda. They ar ealready talking about replacing the statues with prominant black people, again I dont haved a problem with that aside from the fact you are removing one for the other. If you want equality then just like people, the statues can co-exist.

He did so before the South seceded and before the Civil War was ever fought, so that doesn't quite apply.



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